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===Attendees===
*Jason Evans
*Ewan McAndrew
*Martin Poulter
*Alice White
*John Cummings
*Navino Evans
*Daria Cybulska
*Stuart Prior
 
===Introductions===
 
===Problems with being a WiR===
[[File:WiRS.JPG|thumbnail]]
 
*WP:RUMTRUM - bureaucratic procedures
*Scottish Wikidata problems - Nationality
*Lack of help pages to explain, and lack of videos to help
*Lack of help file to get started, no one file to rule them all, or "Here is the help area". 1-2 min videos etc
*Not enough time, 2 days a week, scheduling meetings, planning in long and short term.
*People thinking I'm a comedian in residence
*Keeping metadata current, maintenance of metadata to keep it current, updating based on new knowledge.
*At an institutional level, organisations do not understand what they want, and it's quite a delicate piece of work to arrive on a shared understanding of a project
*Editathons being reverted by admins.
*Notability debates - a lack of clarity and inconsistency
 
===Best things about being a WiR===
 
*A feel that it's the cutting edge of Wikimedia outreach, engaging experts
*Answering a need for innovation, creating specific solutions
*Being asked "What do you do?" and then pitching what it is
*Working with a diverse group of people
*WiRs are deep projects that connect Wikimedia to the wider world, in a way that doesn't just draw people back to Wikipedia, but uses Wikimedia to help other areas.
*People's excitement about adding content to Wikipedia for the first time
*Boring data coming to life for the first time
*The richness of combined datasets
*All the editathons
 
 
===Why is it good for the organisation, or why do *they* think it's good===
 
*A single sustainable site for Wellcome content
*Reducing the gender gap
*An official point of contact for Wikimedia
*Dissemination of knowledge requires a relationship with the largest source of knowledge in the world
*The digital literacy of the staff of the organisation
*To be seen as innovative, to be associated with the internet
*Press attention
*Outreach activities with a measurable impact
*PR
*Something concrete that an organisation can do.
*Fits in with a library's mission, a reputational gain, and sharing
*Organisations giving their content more reach
*An excuse to finally do something....
 
==Creating an overview of the process steps of organisations becoming open (and a WiR role in it)==
 
=== '''Problems/Solutions''' ===
 
==== '''Setting up/running WiR''' ====
Strange people apply
 
No money
 
Org restructure
 
Difference of opinion with org
 
Loss of contacts
 
Not enough time - '''Think about extension to project before the project'''
 
Institutional sloth - '''Showing off peer projects'''
 
Professional suspicion of "open"
 
Defining project, scope, and job spec '''- Formal agreement with objectives'''
 
Making a case for open - '''Stats - Treeviews, BaGlama2'''
 
==== '''General -''' ====
Disconnect between WiRs & Community '''- Project pages on affected Wikis, add self to list of WiRs on Meta'''
 
Balancing engaging wiki community with new member engagement
 
Expectations of existing community '''- Go to meetups where possible'''
 
WP:Rumtrum = Bureaucratic processes that are slow and obstructive
 
"Help" pages that don't help
 
Bad documentation
 
How to guides are like Wikipedia articles
 
Lack of video tutorials
 
Unhelpful replies to questions
 
Fumbling in the dark: A "do it" over "model it" methodology
 
Tools to measure re-use are buggy
 
Not enough tech support
 
Lots of potential, but projects aren't linked
 
Templates are tricky
 
Difficulty of capturing impact, wrong metrics
 
Ending without a sustainability plan
 
==== '''Advocacy -''' ====
Tricky to explain what's important
 
Institutions not understanding what a WiR is
 
Struggle to be seen as relevant to everyone's work '''- Smithsonian Report, SMK report, Europeana report'''
 
==== '''Wikipedia -''' ====
Notability debates
 
Arbitrary decisions limiting content translation to users w/500 edits
 
Admins reverting edits during editathons
 
Speedy deletions
 
Making templates work with VE is hard and undocumented
 
Creating accounts from IP addresses max per day '''- Get Account Creator'''
 
Knowing which hashtags to use
 
Keeping track of edits '''- Herding Sheep tool'''
 
==== '''Commons -''' ====
Lacks features '''- Hotcat, Cat a Lot'''
 
Mass uploads are very technical '''- Commonist'''
 
Keeping metadata current? How? '''- Visual File Change, AWB'''
 
Maze of metadata formats
 
Test upload has no instructions
 
Measuring views of a category '''- GLAMorgan - Measures views by category, to the level Glamerous, BaGlama'''
 
Aim: All GLAM content is on Commons '''- Quick Statements'''
 
Aim: All GLAM content is re-used on Wikimedia '''- Quick Statements'''
 
==== '''Wikidata -''' ====
Wikipedians resistant to Wikidata
 
Incorrect data
 
Difficult to get consensus on structure for data import
 
Importing data into Wikidata is time-consuming '''- Mix & Match, Histropedia Wikidata Query Viewer'''
 
Struggling for help
 
Sharing data on Wikidata '''- Histropedia'''
 
Importing data and then people "fixing it"
 
No easy way to keep data imported in-sync
 
No templates to follow for how to run simple queries on Wikidata '''- WANTED, query templates, a tickbox approach?'''
 
== Tools as solutions ==
 
==== Wikimedia social search - ====
Search for hashtags to keep track of edits using them. [[toollabs:hashtags/search/|http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/]]
 
==== '''GLAMorgan -''' ====
Measures views by category
 
As at current date and use of images (not historic)
 
Double counts if multiple images are used on the same page.
 
==== '''BaGlama2 -''' ====
Dates can be range bound (over a certain period)
 
Categories must be uploaded by Magnus, not by anyone.
 
==== '''GLAMourous -''' ====
Shows you which project and page content has been used
 
By category, depth, and then
 
==== '''Hot Cat -''' ====
Enables you to add categories to categories and files.
 
Needs to be added in Wikimedia Commons prefences. Gadgets tab
 
==== '''Cat a Lot -''' ====
Enables you to add categories to categories and files.
 
Needs to be added in Wikimedia Commons prefences. Gadgets tab
 
== Resources for Advocacy ==
* [https://siarchives.si.edu/sites/default/files/pdfs/2016_03_10_OpenCollections_Public.pdf Smithsonian Report on Open Access]

Revision as of 16:44, 8 June 2017

Attendees

  • Jason Evans
  • Ewan McAndrew
  • Martin Poulter
  • Alice White
  • John Cummings
  • Navino Evans
  • Daria Cybulska
  • Stuart Prior

Introductions

Problems with being a WiR

WiRS.JPG
  • WP:RUMTRUM - bureaucratic procedures
  • Scottish Wikidata problems - Nationality
  • Lack of help pages to explain, and lack of videos to help
  • Lack of help file to get started, no one file to rule them all, or "Here is the help area". 1-2 min videos etc
  • Not enough time, 2 days a week, scheduling meetings, planning in long and short term.
  • People thinking I'm a comedian in residence
  • Keeping metadata current, maintenance of metadata to keep it current, updating based on new knowledge.
  • At an institutional level, organisations do not understand what they want, and it's quite a delicate piece of work to arrive on a shared understanding of a project
  • Editathons being reverted by admins.
  • Notability debates - a lack of clarity and inconsistency

Best things about being a WiR

  • A feel that it's the cutting edge of Wikimedia outreach, engaging experts
  • Answering a need for innovation, creating specific solutions
  • Being asked "What do you do?" and then pitching what it is
  • Working with a diverse group of people
  • WiRs are deep projects that connect Wikimedia to the wider world, in a way that doesn't just draw people back to Wikipedia, but uses Wikimedia to help other areas.
  • People's excitement about adding content to Wikipedia for the first time
  • Boring data coming to life for the first time
  • The richness of combined datasets
  • All the editathons


Why is it good for the organisation, or why do *they* think it's good

  • A single sustainable site for Wellcome content
  • Reducing the gender gap
  • An official point of contact for Wikimedia
  • Dissemination of knowledge requires a relationship with the largest source of knowledge in the world
  • The digital literacy of the staff of the organisation
  • To be seen as innovative, to be associated with the internet
  • Press attention
  • Outreach activities with a measurable impact
  • PR
  • Something concrete that an organisation can do.
  • Fits in with a library's mission, a reputational gain, and sharing
  • Organisations giving their content more reach
  • An excuse to finally do something....

Creating an overview of the process steps of organisations becoming open (and a WiR role in it)

Problems/Solutions

Setting up/running WiR

Strange people apply

No money

Org restructure

Difference of opinion with org

Loss of contacts

Not enough time - Think about extension to project before the project

Institutional sloth - Showing off peer projects

Professional suspicion of "open"

Defining project, scope, and job spec - Formal agreement with objectives

Making a case for open - Stats - Treeviews, BaGlama2

General -

Disconnect between WiRs & Community - Project pages on affected Wikis, add self to list of WiRs on Meta

Balancing engaging wiki community with new member engagement

Expectations of existing community - Go to meetups where possible

WP:Rumtrum = Bureaucratic processes that are slow and obstructive

"Help" pages that don't help

Bad documentation

How to guides are like Wikipedia articles

Lack of video tutorials

Unhelpful replies to questions

Fumbling in the dark: A "do it" over "model it" methodology

Tools to measure re-use are buggy

Not enough tech support

Lots of potential, but projects aren't linked

Templates are tricky

Difficulty of capturing impact, wrong metrics

Ending without a sustainability plan

Advocacy -

Tricky to explain what's important

Institutions not understanding what a WiR is

Struggle to be seen as relevant to everyone's work - Smithsonian Report, SMK report, Europeana report

Wikipedia -

Notability debates

Arbitrary decisions limiting content translation to users w/500 edits

Admins reverting edits during editathons

Speedy deletions

Making templates work with VE is hard and undocumented

Creating accounts from IP addresses max per day - Get Account Creator

Knowing which hashtags to use

Keeping track of edits - Herding Sheep tool

Commons -

Lacks features - Hotcat, Cat a Lot

Mass uploads are very technical - Commonist

Keeping metadata current? How? - Visual File Change, AWB

Maze of metadata formats

Test upload has no instructions

Measuring views of a category - GLAMorgan - Measures views by category, to the level Glamerous, BaGlama

Aim: All GLAM content is on Commons - Quick Statements

Aim: All GLAM content is re-used on Wikimedia - Quick Statements

Wikidata -

Wikipedians resistant to Wikidata

Incorrect data

Difficult to get consensus on structure for data import

Importing data into Wikidata is time-consuming - Mix & Match, Histropedia Wikidata Query Viewer

Struggling for help

Sharing data on Wikidata - Histropedia

Importing data and then people "fixing it"

No easy way to keep data imported in-sync

No templates to follow for how to run simple queries on Wikidata - WANTED, query templates, a tickbox approach?

Tools as solutions

Wikimedia social search -

Search for hashtags to keep track of edits using them. http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/

GLAMorgan -

Measures views by category

As at current date and use of images (not historic)

Double counts if multiple images are used on the same page.

BaGlama2 -

Dates can be range bound (over a certain period)

Categories must be uploaded by Magnus, not by anyone.

GLAMourous -

Shows you which project and page content has been used

By category, depth, and then

Hot Cat -

Enables you to add categories to categories and files.

Needs to be added in Wikimedia Commons prefences. Gadgets tab

Cat a Lot -

Enables you to add categories to categories and files.

Needs to be added in Wikimedia Commons prefences. Gadgets tab

Resources for Advocacy