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==Details==
The summit will take place on 7th of July in '''Edinburgh''', and aims to follow up on the work done at the previous meeting.


===Attendees===
Address: National Library of Scotland  '''Lawnmarket building'''  (just round the corner from the main library) on the Royal Mile
*Jason Evans
:Room 404
*Ewan McAndrew
:312-320 Lawnmarket
*Martin Poulter
:Edinburgh EH1 2PJ
*Alice White
*John Cummings
*Navino Evans
*Daria Cybulska
*Stuart Prior


===Introductions===
==Attendees==


===Problems with being a WiR===
==Schedule==
[[File:WiRS.JPG|thumbnail]]
10:00 - Arrive, coffee, faffing<br />


*WP:RUMTRUM - bureaucratic procedures
10:30 - 12:00 - Recap from last time, updates, sharing of experiences<br />
*Scottish Wikidata problems - Nationality
*Lack of help pages to explain, and lack of videos to help
*Lack of help file to get started, no one file to rule them all, or "Here is the help area". 1-2 min videos etc
*Not enough time, 2 days a week, scheduling meetings, planning in long and short term.
*People thinking I'm a comedian in residence
*Keeping metadata current, maintenance of metadata to keep it current, updating based on new knowledge.
*At an institutional level, organisations do not understand what they want, and it's quite a delicate piece of work to arrive on a shared understanding of a project
*Editathons being reverted by admins.
*Notability debates - a lack of clarity and inconsistency


===Best things about being a WiR===
12:00 - 13:00 - Lunch<br />


*A feel that it's the cutting edge of Wikimedia outreach, engaging experts
13:00 - 14:00 - Lea Lacroix Wikidata update<br />
*Answering a need for innovation, creating specific solutions
*Being asked "What do you do?" and then pitching what it is
*Working with a diverse group of people
*WiRs are deep projects that connect Wikimedia to the wider world, in a way that doesn't just draw people back to Wikipedia, but uses Wikimedia to help other areas.
*People's excitement about adding content to Wikipedia for the first time
*Boring data coming to life for the first time
*The richness of combined datasets
*All the editathons


14:00 - 17:00 - Facilitated discussion with talking points such as:


===Why is it good for the organisation, or why do *they* think it's good===
*Sustainability, how can a WiR's work be more lasting.
*Engaging editors, models for doing this?
*Resources, do we have what we need? What is still missing?


*A single sustainable site for Wellcome content
==Notes from last event==
*Reducing the gender gap
*[[Events/Wikimedian in Residence Summit 2016|Problems with being a WiR]]
*An official point of contact for Wikimedia
*Dissemination of knowledge requires a relationship with the largest source of knowledge in the world
*The digital literacy of the staff of the organisation
*To be seen as innovative, to be associated with the internet
*Press attention
*Outreach activities with a measurable impact
*PR
*Something concrete that an organisation can do.
*Fits in with a library's mission, a reputational gain, and sharing
*Organisations giving their content more reach
*An excuse to finally do something....


==Creating an overview of the process steps of organisations becoming open (and a WiR role in it)==
==Resources built/made available since last event==


=== '''Problems/Solutions''' ===
*[https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Discussion#Replacing_the_Case_Studies_and_Model_Projects_Pages| Outreach Wiki developments]
*[https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Sharing_Knowledge#WIR| Outreach Wiki notes]
*[https://coggle.it/diagram/WJHOxQptLgABlIDB My mapping of some processes w/links to resources]


==== '''Setting up/running WiR''' ====
== Notes ==
Strange people apply


No money
=== Technological & Process Problems/Wishlist ===
'''WikiEdu dashboard''' is unavailable outside of N.America, and the Foundation Outreach one doesn't create an Education Project Page or have other similar functionalities.
* "students" not "editors"


Org restructure
* "Course Program" to be selectable without being an admin
'''Wikidata'''


Difference of opinion with org
Better messaging to communicate to cynics about how Wikidata identifies problems and protects itself from vandalism.


Loss of contacts
'''Uploading datasets workflows explained'''


Not enough time - '''Think about extension to project before the project'''
Using Mix & Match is not *technically* necessary, but because it acts as a record of what data has been added, it is important to use to act as a way of centrally documenting the data you are adding/matching.


Institutional sloth - '''Showing off peer projects'''
'''Commons'''


Professional suspicion of "open"
Better metrics for image re-use.


Defining project, scope, and job spec '''- Formal agreement with objectives'''
'''Wikisource'''


Making a case for open - '''Stats - Treeviews, BaGlama2'''
Flow process for Wikisource needed.


==== '''General -''' ====
The summit will take place on 7th of July in '''Edinburgh''', and aims to follow up on the work done at the previous meeting.
Disconnect between WiRs & Community '''- Project pages on affected Wikis, add self to list of WiRs on Meta'''


Balancing engaging wiki community with new member engagement
Address: National Library of Scotland  '''Lawnmarket building'''  (just round the corner from the main library) on the Royal Mile
:Room 404
:312-320 Lawnmarket
:Edinburgh EH1 2PJ


Expectations of existing community '''- Go to meetups where possible'''
[[Category:Events in 2017]]
 
WP:Rumtrum = Bureaucratic processes that are slow and obstructive
 
"Help" pages that don't help
 
Bad documentation
 
How to guides are like Wikipedia articles
 
Lack of video tutorials
 
Unhelpful replies to questions
 
Fumbling in the dark: A "do it" over "model it" methodology
 
Tools to measure re-use are buggy
 
Not enough tech support
 
Lots of potential, but projects aren't linked
 
Templates are tricky
 
Difficulty of capturing impact, wrong metrics
 
Ending without a sustainability plan
 
==== '''Advocacy -''' ====
Tricky to explain what's important
 
Institutions not understanding what a WiR is
 
Struggle to be seen as relevant to everyone's work '''- Smithsonian Report, SMK report, Europeana report'''
 
==== '''Wikipedia -''' ====
Notability debates
 
Arbitrary decisions limiting content translation to users w/500 edits
 
Admins reverting edits during editathons
 
Speedy deletions
 
Making templates work with VE is hard and undocumented
 
Creating accounts from IP addresses max per day '''- Get Account Creator'''
 
Knowing which hashtags to use
 
Keeping track of edits '''- Herding Sheep tool'''
 
==== '''Commons -''' ====
Lacks features '''- Hotcat, Cat a Lot'''
 
Mass uploads are very technical '''- Commonist'''
 
Keeping metadata current? How? '''- Visual File Change, AWB'''
 
Maze of metadata formats
 
Test upload has no instructions
 
Measuring views of a category '''- GLAMorgan - Measures views by category, to the level Glamerous, BaGlama'''
 
Aim: All GLAM content is on Commons '''- Quick Statements'''
 
Aim: All GLAM content is re-used on Wikimedia '''- Quick Statements'''
 
==== '''Wikidata -''' ====
Wikipedians resistant to Wikidata
 
Incorrect data
 
Difficult to get consensus on structure for data import
 
Importing data into Wikidata is time-consuming '''- Mix & Match, Histropedia Wikidata Query Viewer'''
 
Struggling for help
 
Sharing data on Wikidata '''- Histropedia'''
 
Importing data and then people "fixing it"
 
No easy way to keep data imported in-sync
 
No templates to follow for how to run simple queries on Wikidata '''- WANTED, query templates, a tickbox approach?'''
 
== Tools as solutions ==
 
==== Wikimedia social search - ====
Search for hashtags to keep track of edits using them. [[toollabs:hashtags/search/|http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/]]
 
==== '''GLAMorgan -''' ====
Measures views by category
 
As at current date and use of images (not historic)
 
Double counts if multiple images are used on the same page.
 
==== '''BaGlama2 -''' ====
Dates can be range bound (over a certain period)
 
Categories must be uploaded by Magnus, not by anyone.
 
==== '''GLAMourous -''' ====
Shows you which project and page content has been used
 
By category, depth, and then
 
==== '''Hot Cat -''' ====
Enables you to add categories to categories and files.
 
Needs to be added in Wikimedia Commons prefences. Gadgets tab
 
==== '''Cat a Lot -''' ====
Enables you to add categories to categories and files.
 
Needs to be added in Wikimedia Commons prefences. Gadgets tab
 
== Resources for Advocacy ==
* [https://siarchives.si.edu/sites/default/files/pdfs/2016_03_10_OpenCollections_Public.pdf Smithsonian Report on Open Access]

Latest revision as of 11:49, 19 June 2019

Details

The summit will take place on 7th of July in Edinburgh, and aims to follow up on the work done at the previous meeting.

Address: National Library of Scotland Lawnmarket building (just round the corner from the main library) on the Royal Mile

Room 404
312-320 Lawnmarket
Edinburgh EH1 2PJ

Attendees

Schedule

10:00 - Arrive, coffee, faffing

10:30 - 12:00 - Recap from last time, updates, sharing of experiences

12:00 - 13:00 - Lunch

13:00 - 14:00 - Lea Lacroix Wikidata update

14:00 - 17:00 - Facilitated discussion with talking points such as:

  • Sustainability, how can a WiR's work be more lasting.
  • Engaging editors, models for doing this?
  • Resources, do we have what we need? What is still missing?

Notes from last event

Resources built/made available since last event

Notes

Technological & Process Problems/Wishlist

WikiEdu dashboard is unavailable outside of N.America, and the Foundation Outreach one doesn't create an Education Project Page or have other similar functionalities.

  • "students" not "editors"
  • "Course Program" to be selectable without being an admin

Wikidata

Better messaging to communicate to cynics about how Wikidata identifies problems and protects itself from vandalism.

Uploading datasets workflows explained

Using Mix & Match is not *technically* necessary, but because it acts as a record of what data has been added, it is important to use to act as a way of centrally documenting the data you are adding/matching.

Commons

Better metrics for image re-use.

Wikisource

Flow process for Wikisource needed.

The summit will take place on 7th of July in Edinburgh, and aims to follow up on the work done at the previous meeting.

Address: National Library of Scotland Lawnmarket building (just round the corner from the main library) on the Royal Mile

Room 404
312-320 Lawnmarket
Edinburgh EH1 2PJ
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