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| == Lua and Pizza == | | == Kanban for editathons == |
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| We are thinking of having Learn to Lua event in the office for people wanting to get to grips with the template creating language.
| | [[File:WCCWiki4.jpg|thumb|A {{wp|kanban board}} at the Women in Classical Studies editathon at Senate House, London]] |
| There has been some positive reaction on the UK lists, especially when Pizza was mentioned. Anyone interested? [[User:Jon Davies (WMUK)|Jon Davies (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Jon Davies (WMUK)|talk]]) 11:03, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
| | I just saw the newsletter with a picture of the {{wp|kanban board}} used at the Women in Classical Studies editathon. What a great idea! It helps people share what they are working on. Helps to avoid edit conflicts. Enables organisers to list all the articles that have been improved. It could possibly work well for a recap session at the end too, where people talk about the changes they made. |
| :This has been arranged for Sunday 19 May. For those interested, please sign up on [[Lua on Wikimedia]]. -- [[User:Katie Chan (WMUK)|Katie Chan (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Katie Chan (WMUK)|talk]]) 14:19, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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| == Spreadsheets on-wiki ==
| | Who was involved with that editathon? Who has used it elsewhere? I would love to hear how it has been used in practice. |
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| A lot of the business of the chapter relies on spreadsheets or complex tables that rapidly become unrealistic to maintain on-wiki. Can anyone recommend solutions? At the moment most key spreadsheets (such as the monthly financial reports) are sent around as Google spreadsheets, which means that any comments or changes are buried in emails and there is no systematic tracability. I note that [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Googledocviewer Extension:Googledocviewer] might be an option if we really are stuck with a Google solution and nothing better is possible at this time, this would at least make it possible to view spreadsheet reports on this wiki without jumping to another application. Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 10:36, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
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| :This extension would be very helpful. I'll ask the tech team to enable it. [[User:Richard Symonds (WMUK)|Richard Symonds (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Symonds (WMUK)|talk]]) 11:29, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::Richard asked me to take a look at this from a technical perspective. The extension looks fine technically, however I discovered that to get documents to display staff would have to select "publish to web" - this bypasses privacy controls and means anyone knowing the URL could access a read only copy of the document. That's above my pay grade to figure out if it is acceptable or not :D Certainly it seems OK for public documents. Oh, from a technical perspective we couldn't install it on *this* wiki because we don't yet have control of it. But following a migration it would certainly be possible. --[[User:ErrantX|ErrantX]] ([[User talk:ErrantX|talk]]) 12:49, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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| == Digital Impacts: Crowdsourcing in the Arts and Humanities ==
| | : Hi [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]], I was the lead trainer at the [[ wikipedia:Meetups/UK/Institute_of_Classical_Studies_Jan_2017 |Women in Classical Studies editathon]]. I saw the kanban in an [https://www.instagram.com/p/BClfaSjhVdG/ Instagram post] for an [[wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism|Art+Feminism]] editathon. It worked much better than expected - a fantastic indicator of the [https://youtu.be/bAWxTPZZNrg?t=2m27s achievements of the day].[[User:Eartha78|Eartha78]] ([[User talk:Eartha78|talk]]) 19:02, 3 February 2017 (GMT) |
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| I've just come across [http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/events/?id=573 this event] taking place on Tuesday 9 April at the Oxford Internet Institute. I wonder if there are any volunteers who might be interested in going and representing the Wikimedia movement? Do let me know if you're interested and we can make some arrangements. [[User:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|Stevie Benton (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|talk]]) 10:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
| | ::Cool. So how did you use it? Did you get people to brainstorm a load of post-its of articles to look at, at the beginning of the day? Did you just say 'if you have an idea, stick it on the board'? Did you come with the post-its filled out already? [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 10:25, 11 February 2017 (GMT) |
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| :On the subject of the humanities and crowdsourcing the [[outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/March_2013/Contents/Germany_report|Roman limes]] project led by WMDE might be an interesting topic of conversation at the event. And very topic given the Pompeii and Herculaneum exhibition at the BM which opened last week. [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 11:09, 4 April 2013 (UTC) | | ::: The group were quite well prepared prior to the editathon. They had identified a number of articles to create - some had already done the research and started to writing in their sandbox. When we began the second part of the editathon they each committed to an article, wrote it on a sticky note and stuck it to the wall! Moving the notes from left to right was surprisingly motivating and a good excuse to stretch ones legs. Also used the sticky notes for an evaluation exercise at the end of the session. [[User:Eartha78|Eartha78]] ([[User talk:Eartha78|talk]]) 18:27, 16 February 2017 (GMT) |
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| | ::::Thank you Eartha78. That is really interesting. I will use this next time I do an editathon. [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 09:39, 19 February 2017 (GMT) |
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| Could someone update the staff hierarchy at [[Staff]]? It does not explain how the current team of 11 staff and contractors are organized. Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 17:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
| | == Wikimedia UK's plans for 2018 - community consultation == |
| :I will work on this and upload the new version when it is ready. I don't have a timescale for completion at this point as I have other pieces of work that have a higher priority. [[User:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|Stevie Benton (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|talk]]) 12:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
| | [[File:Programmes Consultation Video - Wikimedia UK.webm|centre|thumb|800x800px|Watch our video about our plans for 2018]] |
| ::I think a volunteer produced this before, I made the request on the Water cooler so that a volunteer could jump in again and help out so I was not particularly expecting this to be another staff job, especially as everyone is busy. In the meantime, for general information and to help a volunteer update the chart, is there a document that explains who is reporting to who at the moment? Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 14:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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| == Confirmation of how many laptops are currently available for events, 3 or 6? ==
| | Wikimedia UK is in the process of writing our proposal to the Wikimedia Foundation for funding during 2018/19. The deadline for the bid is 1st October after which it is assessed by staff at the Foundation, there is an opportunity for community feedback and questions, and the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) meet to consider proposals and make recommendations about grants. |
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| Hi, I am a bit confused by a minor detail at [[Lua on Wikimedia]]. This says that the Office has 3 laptops available for loan. However as this is the only event on that day, I think there should be 6 laptops available at this event, considering that 3 additional cheap laptops were specifically purchased for volunteer use this year, and there were 3 previous to that. Could someone confirm the status of these and that the [[Fixed Asset Register]] is correct? Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 14:32, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
| | As 2018/19 is the final year of our 2016 - 2019 strategy, our programme for next year is in many ways a continuation of our activities in 2017 and falls under three key strands: |
| :Hi Fae. Both the Fixed Asset Register and the event page are correct. The other three laptops will not be at the event unless we ''really'' need them. One is in use by a volunteer, and the other two are unsuitable (being a Mac and a Chromebook) unless there is a huge demand for laptops. Thanks for bringing this up. [[User:Richard Symonds (WMUK)|Richard Symonds (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Symonds (WMUK)|talk]]) 14:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::Thanks for the update, perhaps the event page ought to say something along those lines and that a maximum of 5 are available. Certainly if an event is popular and more than 3 volunteers need laptops, then I would guess they are really needed, especially as there is no particular expectation that all our volunteers require a Windows operating system, particularly as I understand that the Office all use Macs. By the way, the event is more than six weeks away. I would be concerned if a volunteer were "borrowing" a laptop from the charity for months at a time, perhaps whoever this is, should put in a proposal of some sort so that the board of trustees are aware of why this is to the benefit of the charity. Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 14:59, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :::For clarity, the office staff do not all use Macs. I believe three staff do, the remainder use Windows machines. [[User:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|Stevie Benton (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|talk]]) 15:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::::Okay, thanks for that, presumably that means there is no issue with loaning both the Windows and Mac laptops at events, with the single Chromebook as a backup. After experiencing one of the Lenovo Thinkpads being unable to cope with simply running Skype (plus my normal OS being Mac so Windows would slow me down as I would take ages to work out how to switch on the Dvorak keyboard layout), as a volunteer I would much rather be offered the much nicer Macbook Pro at future events. As it cost £1,100 I would like to see the charity get lots of use out of it.
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| ::::Is there anything the chapter can say about long term loaner laptops for volunteers? If these are available, it would be sensible to make this a policy. Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 15:28, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :::::As it has been 11 days now since I asked my question, I would guess there will be no answer forthcoming.
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| :::::Just to be really clear, can someone please confirm that one of our laptops has not now been broken, lost or stolen, and that the volunteer that currently has one (as above) in their possession for an undefined period, for some reason, is known to the board of trustees? Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 13:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::::::As we're discussing a specific volunteer, even if that volunteer is unnamed, I'll drop you an email about it rather than reply here. [[User:Richard Symonds (WMUK)|Richard Symonds (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Symonds (WMUK)|talk]]) 14:35, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :::::::Perhaps the other parts of my previous question can be answered for the benefit of members without revealing the name of the volunteer? For example what policy are long term loans of laptops covered under as I'm sure there are other members that might be helped in their volunteer activities if they can take such a loan? Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::::::::No, I think it's more appropriate to do it by email rather than potentially upset a volunteer. I've sent it now though. The idea of cementing long-term loans is an interesting one, and potentially very useful, but I don't think it needs a board level policy - something for Katie to sort out instead. I'll drop her a note about it. [[User:Richard Symonds (WMUK)|Richard Symonds (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Symonds (WMUK)|talk]]) 15:18, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :::::::::I find the charity is doing 80% of its business these days by emails and closed wikis not shared with the members. A pity compared to the 80% open of only 2 years ago. As a trustee, I am ultimately responsible for the management of the assets of the charity, so I find this approach of secrecy odd, we certainly have never accepted a non-transparent scholarship or microgrant request in the past, even if we may have accepted a pseudonym, so I don't understand why this is different for any reason. This is more "secret" than I would expect us to be, as in this case the trustees still apparently know absolutely nothing about it, and this is not covered by any agreed process that I was previously aware of, or that has been quoted here. I have separately raised the issue for consideration by the board and potentially the A&R Committee. If we need a policy to allow this sort of thing, then we should approve one, rather than leave this ad-hoc and uncontrolled, which in practice leaves the staff who appear to be making these decisions about long term loans of the charity's assets at some risk should things go wrong, as there are no delegated powers for them to do so and basic requirements for appropriate protection, such as insurance, do not seem to have been considered. Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 15:50, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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| Just to comment on the MacBook Pro; during the security review I noticed that you (Fæ) and Jon had logged into it using personal accounts. My recommendation was that for the moment it be limited to Staff/Trustee or carefully supervised use until it could be properly cleaned & confirmed free of any possible personal details etc. --[[User:ErrantX|ErrantX]] ([[User talk:ErrantX|talk]]) 12:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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| == Inspiration and imagination needed for the five year plan... ==
| | # Diverse content and contributors |
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| Please get your thoughts on the next five years down!
| | These strands are directly related to our three strategic goals, which are to: |
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| | * Increase the quality and quantity of coverage of subjects that are currently underrepresented on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects |
| | | * Contribute to the development of open knowledge in the UK, by increasing understanding and recognition of the value of open knowledge and advocating for change at an organisational, sectoral and public policy level |
| There is an abundance of supporting material and ideas on the main page but what is mostly needed is your imagination and energy.
| | * Support the use of the Wikimedia projects as important tools for education and learning in the UK |
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| == Wiki Loves Monuments ==
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| It's that time of the year when planning for Wiki Loves Monuments picks up for those countries interested in taking part. In both 2011 & 2012, there were discussions about the UK taking part, but for various reasons it never ends up happening. I would really like to see it happen this year, and to that end have started the associated page on Wikimedia Commons.
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| For those who don't know, Wiki Loves Monuments is an annual photography competition running in September around cultural heritage monuments, which in the UK has in the past taken to mean listed buildings. Participants upload their photos to Wikimedia Commons, identifying it the subject of the photo to be one of the qualifying monuments with the best photos nationally and internationally winning prizes.
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| :Hi Katie, thanks for setting up the poll to find a time to talk. As this page is probably not very often looked at, maybe you could advertise on Commons as well? I see that there was a volunteer [[Wiki Loves Monuments brainstorm]] in 2012 about this, and the subpages have some useful information that could be picked up on now. Maybe a follow-up meeting would be helpful this year, especially as the community now has you working away in the background ;) Looking at the suggested timeline on [[:Commons:Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in the United Kingdom|this page]], it seems we are already a month or so behind schedule. --[[User:MichaelMaggs|MichaelMaggs]] ([[User talk:MichaelMaggs|talk]]) 16:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::'''Note:''' I've had to remove and revdel'd the link to the poll as it was leading to one or more spammer removing existing responses and adding response/comment that are racially or sexually inappropriate. Anyone reading this who want to join into the upcoming phone conference can contact me for a link to the poll. Thanks! -- [[User:Katie Chan (WMUK)|Katie Chan (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Katie Chan (WMUK)|talk]]) 19:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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| == Privacy policy - comment and edit ==
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| I've just published a new version of a [[Privacy Policy]] - we need to get this drafted to our satisfaction so the Trustees can approve a version which will apply to how the chapter manages all its sites, including QRpedia, facilitating the process of transferring the domain.
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| Because it's important we get this right, we'll get the final version checked by a lawyer - so feel free to edit and query as usual, but it may be that a final tweak beyond these changes to ensure the policy is compliant needs to happen.
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| I need to come back to out legal counsel by next Friday 19th April, so comments and changes before then would be wonderful :-) [[User:Katherine Bavage (WMUK)|Katherine Bavage (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Katherine Bavage (WMUK)|talk]]) 15:22, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :I notice some trouble with trying to get the template to work. See my comments at [[Template talk:BoardApprovedHistory]]. [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 20:29, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
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| One thing I found interesting at GLAM-WIKI 2013 was the extent to which GLAMs seemed to be very fearful of the complexities of copyright law, getting things wrong, and possibly being sued. This seems to be quite a large problem, to the extent that some GLAMs feel paralyzed and unable to do anything without seeking professional legal advice (which, to be honest, they don't want to get involved in, and which is anyway usually much too expensive). The GLAM-WIKI conference may arguably have not encouraged GLAMs who want to do the right thing but who are just scared of all the legal stuff. Indeed, several speakers mentioned that it is a 'difficult' area which they were not going to touch on. I'd like to think that WMUK could provide some more specialist help in this field.
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| | We would welcome input from the UK community into our plans for next year - which we are still shaping - and have created a short video to highlight our programme strands which you can watch [https://youtu.be/56s3Ch7sHbQ here]. You can give us feedback on our programme anytime, but if you’d like your views to be taken into account in our submission to the Wikimedia Foundation for funding, please do comment below by Friday 29th September. If you’d prefer to get in touch by email, feel free to contact me on lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk. |
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| Hope that makes sense. If this would be of interest to the community, I would be happy to put some effort into it. As a newly-retired UK patent and trademark attorney (until March I was a partner in one of the top London firms) I do have a reasonable knowledge of UK law. --[[User:MichaelMaggs|MichaelMaggs]] ([[User talk:MichaelMaggs|talk]]) 17:23, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :It makes very much sense. You may wish to start with [[Commons:Freedom of panorama]] and works that are of USA origin. You have two from [[w:List of Academy Award trophies on public display]]. The FOP page doesn't mention country of origin for 3D works on permanent display in the UK. [[Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter]] doesn't mention country of origin either in the 3D sculptures section. We may have to ask WMF legal weigh in on this one. Can you upload an FOP image from the UK of a 3D work with the country of origin being the USA where FOP is not allowed for statues?--[[User:Canoe1967|Canoe1967]] ([[User talk:Canoe1967|talk]]) 22:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::I would be happy to support a UK working group of some sort to help improve guidelines and policies related to GLAMs and copyright, perhaps with an emphasis on avoiding mistaken 'copyfraud'. In terms of location, doing this as a project on Commons would make the most sense to me, as any guidelines would have the most impact there; plus we could really do with attracting more contributors to related RFC and key deletion review discussions that are right at the cutting edge of this stuff. By the way, we have a lot of wikilawyers who will put forward what they think the law says, but few who will put in the spadework of researching and digging out legal cases to support an on-Commons case book; we have even fewer who can see the bigger picture and understand the difference between significant doubt and insignificant doubt that might be raised by fine hypothetical interpretation of the words of the law... Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 05:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :::Brilliant thought Michael and very practical - could also support non glammers. [[User:Jon Davies WMUK|Jon Davies WMUK]] ([[User talk:Jon Davies WMUK|talk]]) 09:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :@Fæ, you may wish to clarify on [[Commons:Freedom of panorama]] as well as [[Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter]]. Neither of those pages state anything about the country of origin. One editor at en:wp thinks we can't host images of Oscar taken in the UK because the statue is copyright in the USA where the servers are.--[[User:Canoe1967|Canoe1967]] ([[User talk:Canoe1967|talk]]) 23:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::At the conference in Milan, the WCA council rep from Armenia got a round of applause as they are the first country in their region to gain FoP. As a copyright concept it is critically important for open knowledge, I really don't like to see folks pointlessly whittling away at the fringes of it. Country of origin for a permanent work on public display is of course, irrelevant. Where the servers are can be relevant if the release relied on something like expired copyright; not the case for this scenario. It would be great if you could add your example and suggestion for clarification to the commons policy talk page; don't wait for me to get around to it. :-) --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 05:07, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :::I am worried about US copyright law for images hosted on commons. If we have a museum take a picture in the UK of the Oscar then will the Academy lawyer up when they see it on posters in the US? Does the US copyright law cover imported images of 3D works that are under copyright in the US?--[[User:Canoe1967|Canoe1967]] ([[User talk:Canoe1967|talk]]) 09:17, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :Thanks Michael, that would be very useful, but my take on this is that it isn't always knowledge of copyright law that complicates this subject.
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| :*Many institutions have objects and images that are on loan or otherwise subject to restrictions from the donor.
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| :*Some institutions have objects and images that are considered culturally sensitive or may involve personality rights, especially in ethnographic collections.
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| :*Sometimes the subject can be of such an apparent age that reasonable people would disagree as to whether they were adult.
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| :*Sometimes the applicable law may itself be uncertain and the prevailing standards for seeking subject consent may have changed radically since the photo was taken. For example a 1930s photo showing a topless teenage woman in what was then the colony of a European power.....
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| :Pre-screening image releases for the above may also be a non-trivial task.Checking the IP of this may be a non-trivial task for the institution, especially if this raises questions that may not have been considered when the loan was made.
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| :Then there is the big tension between the role of ourselves and many GLAMs in making information available to all, and the marketing departments of many GLAMs who see digital images simply as a commercial opportunity (even if the copyright has expired). Some GLAMs seem to take the view that possession is >90% of the law, and they try to restrict the use and commercialise stuff even when they should know it is out of copyright.
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| :Among GLAMs that are looking at this from a commercial angle there seems to be a divide as to whether their most lucrative route is to release High definition imagery under an open License thereby maximising use but not necessarily revenue; or whether it is more lucrative for them to release low to medium resolution imagery and get a larger proportion of users buying high res, but a smaller amount of use. Of course the equation changes as more high res imagery being available means that low and medium resolution imagery will tend to be used less, and while this has a big impact on potential image releases it isn't our place to advise GLAMs on commercial impact of releasing images.
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| :::More volunteers would help, but also guidance in the form of case studies, copyright advice and maybe even Government guidance. Other aspects of this are international - I learned at the GLAM wiki conference about one government that is requesting digital copies of information from a UK GLAM. [[User:Jonathan Cardy (WMUK)|Jonathan Cardy (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Jonathan Cardy (WMUK)|talk]]) 10:31, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| Hello everyone. During a recent discussion about the [http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/04/1533/ Wikimedian in Residence role at the National Library of Scotland] a valid point was raised about notifying Wikipedians who spoke Gaelic to the role. I think everyone is aware that there are opportunities for Wikimedia UK to do some excellent outreach work to speakers of non-English languages and Wikipedians who work on non-English language projects. These are not limited to what might be called indigenous UK languages such as Kernowac or Gaelic, but could also include languages that are pretty widely spoken such as Bengali, Polish and Hindi. If anyone has any suggestions on how we might successfully do this please do share them here. It was also noted that we may have a need for a language policy, particularly to cover any Wikimedian in Residence roles (and, potentially any eventual Wikimedia UK recruitment) in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Again, comments and suggestions are very welcome. Thanks in advance for any input on this important topic! [[User:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|Stevie Benton (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|talk]]) 23:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :The inspiration for such a Policy came from a discussion on Scotland, and therefore this thread should really only involve the WMUK's involvement in Scotland rather than an overarching linguistic policy on the situation of minority languages (such as Bengali) in England. Our Policy on Scotland must begin with the [[:w:en:Gaelic Language (Scotland) Act 2005|Gaelic Language (Scotland) Act 2005]] and [[:w:en:Bòrd na Gàidhlig|Bòrd na Gàidhlig]] who are responsible for Gaelic on behalf of the Scottish Government. Wales has similar, yet stronger, legislation (including the [[:w:en:Welsh Language Act 1993|Welsh Language Act 1993]] and the [[:w:en:National Assembly for Wales (Official Languages) Act 2012|National Assembly for Wales (Official Languages) Act 2012]]) which gave the Welsh language official status in Wales - and I suggest that we also include Wales in our Policy, under a separate heading. In Wales the [[:w:en:Welsh Language Commissioner|Welsh Language Commissioner]] ensures that ''"In Wales, the Welsh language should be treated no less favourably than the English language"'' and ''"Persons in Wales should be able to live their lives through the medium of the Welsh language if they choose to do so."'' There are common elements to both countries, which should be acknowledged as should over-riding international law, including [[:w:en:European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages|European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages]], the [[:w:en:Universal Declaration of Linguistic Rights|Universal Declaration of Linguistic Rights]] (1996) and to some extent the [[:w:en:International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights|International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights]]. -- [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 01:31, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :: I would strongly counsel against taking a leaf from the UK's public sector rules on this; they are overly-heavyweight and proscriptive, and don't actually apply to Wikimedia or WMUK. Instead, the focus should be on engagement with and support for non-English language groups (be that Welsh/Gaelic/BSL/Polish/Bengali/Arabic/''etc.'') - the question really is "are there people with such interests in our communities?" - if yes, where are they and what do they want?; if no, are there things we're doing wrongly that we could correct, and/or are there appropriate groups with whom we can reach out to encourage such participation. [[User:Jdforrester|Jdforrester]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester|talk]]) 05:32, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::: Jdforrester - the employer here is The National Library, not WMUK, they are not only in the public sector but are bound by the laws (not "rules") of Scotland, and their own in-house language Policy. No, they don't apply to Wikimeda UK, but they certainly do to the employer. I've outlined my reasons above why the Policy should mention specifically the different countries (Scotland and Wales) and imho the title should reflect this; I suggest "WMUK's Language Policy for Wales and Scotland". A separate document could be written for other languages which have lesser legal status. In answer to the second half of you comment may I refer you to the Gaelic speaking community [http://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%AComh-Dhuilleag here] where we have a very live Gaelic speaking wiki. Your most important comment ''are there things we're doing wrongly that we could correct'' is very honest and needs addressing. If we have ignored wiki-gd thus far, we need to embrace that community, support and encourage them to be part of our dream; more importantly: can we be part of their dream, their vision? A Language Policy to guide us would be a good start. [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 08:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| : The most obvious thing is to ask the National Library of Scotland, as they deal with outreach to non-English minorities all the time for recruitment and the WIR is going to be their employee. It may be time for WMUK to run an open discussion about how best to engage with minority groups, this is more likely to reach meaningful conclusions if supported with advice from minority group organizations and using channels and forums where their members hangout. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 06:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::Exactly! [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 08:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :Also as regards Irish, see [[W:en:Coláiste Feirste|Coláiste Feirste]], a secondary Irish Medium School in Belfast.[[Special:Contributions/86.157.228.106|86.157.228.106]] 09:26, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::Yes indeed! Is there legislation for the Irish language in Northern Ireland? Do you have any other links, relevant to writing a language Policy? [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 10:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| *Of course there are laws that we and our partners and potential partners need to follow, but we also need to remember that we are part of a global movement with a global mission. We have a huge amount of the world's heritage in the possession of UK GLAMs, and in many cases as with [[:en:Tipu%27s_Tiger|Tipu's Tiger]] and [http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/the-british-library-picturing-canada-and-photos-of-cats/ the British library's Canada collection] we can be the facilitator to get global access to cultural information that is in the UK. Helping UK institutions reach out to non-English speakers here, as tourists or on the web could be at the heart of what the Wikimedia movement associates Wikimedia UK with. [[User:Jonathan Cardy (WMUK)|Jonathan Cardy (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Jonathan Cardy (WMUK)|talk]]) 10:54, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::I agree it would be great for WMUK to be known for the internationalism of our work with cultural heritage; and as you highlight we already are. Over the weekend we met with WMIN representatives to take this particular relationship forward due to obvious shared heritage with key assets in the British Library and other institutions that are of immense value for Indian culture and history. Similarly the initiatives you mention that I took part in sponsoring are great examples of simple international partnerships working within our movement.
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| ::We are a highly successful global movement, however we do not lead the field with expertise in multi-lingual outreach or accessibility, in fact, at times we are naff at it compared to other global organizations of volunteers. We had a successful global conference in Milan, however the conference materials and presentations were almost entirely in English and the conference venue and social venues failed to assure wheelchair access, even though we knew that one participant was restricted to a wheelchair (I'm aware of the issues that came up as I took some time out for a quiet and interesting chat about access with the person affected). As an example of our maturity along these lines, I think this is fairly normal for us, and even though we can probably think of counter-examples where it has worked much better, this has not yet transferred into policy and standard practice. Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 11:22, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :::From my experience of Wikipedia I thought that creating policies was something that comes naturally! But seriously though, I’d suggest that WMUK has some sort of guide at the very least if not a policy. Formally informing the Gaelic and Scots wikis of this post at the same time as the English one would have just been common courtesy. I don’t for one minute think there was an intention to insult, but its little oversights like this that tends go get people's back up and rightly or wrongly add to the perception that WMUK is more focussed on one langue wiki over others. '''IF''' it is agreed that a language/languages guide or policy is a good idea, then the [http://www.estynllaw.org/index.php Estyn Llaw] project in Wales has a wealth of [http://www.estynllaw.org/en/cyngor.php advice and guidance], '''some''' of which can be taken on board and adapted. Here are some suggestions (of mine) on how to draw up a guide:
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| |Attracting staff with bilingual skills || tricky || Attracting Gaelic speakers to apply for WIR post || *Make good use of Gaelic material at NSL<br> *Increase content on Gaelic wiki || || ||
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| |Publicity || easy (ish) || If promoting event/story related to Wales , send out press release in English and Welsh || Increase likelihood of story in Welsh language media || *Translation could mean delay<br> *Translation could mean cost ||WMUK staff do not speak the language ||
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| :::Anyway, just some thoughts/ ideas I wanted to share!--[[User:Rhyswynne|Rhyswynne]] ([[User talk:Rhyswynne|talk]]) 13:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| *As a general rule I think we should work starting with existing Wikipedian communities, rather than trying to build from scratch. This is what we have successfully done in Wales, & pretty much failed to do with the "non-native" language communities in the UK. As far as I can see the level of activity on the Gaelic WP is really very low, & most editors are probably based in the relatively Gaelic-speaking areas. We don't AFAIK have an inside contact, equivalent to Robin, which is an essential first step; then we'd be able to announce things to the Gaelic WP in Gaelic, which of course we should do with things like this. By all means add it as a desirable thing for the Edinburgh post, but I don't see we need a policy. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 16:30, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| **Of course, it depends what we mean by policy. We don't want to break anybody's balls over this and we don't want a load of legalistic verbiage. But some kind of direction would be useful. I think Rhyswynne's table is an excellent start for that and I also agree with Johnbod that working with existing Wikimedian communities will help in a lot of respects. [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 17:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| * FYI elsewhere in Wikimedia, these languages don't even have dedicated Wikisources yet. I mention this as the original conversation brought up "Gaelic manuscripts and books" and "Scots classics" at the National Library of Scotland. Multilingual Wikisource covers them, however. [[oldwikisource:Category:Gàidhlig|Gàidhlig]] currently has a glorious one text (and, even then, has no source for it), while [[oldwikisource:Category:Kernewek|Kernewek]] has twenty texts and [[oldwikisource:Category:Gaeilge|Gaeilge]] has many. [[wikisource:Category:Text in Scots|Scots]] is actually part of English Wikisource, with 22 texts. This doesn't even need material from NLS to rectify, the Internet Archive has at least a few works available ([http://archive.org/details/seanchaidhnatrag00macc Example]). It just needs people. (NB: All appear to have Wiktionaries but [[wiktionary:gd:|Gàidhlig Wiktionary]] looks to be in bad shape.) - [[User:AdamBMorgan|AdamBMorgan]] ([[User talk:AdamBMorgan|talk]]) 17:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| *:Further to this: NLS have [http://archive.org/details/nationallibraryofscotland a section] on the Internet Archive but all their texts appear it have CC-BY-NC licences (even the clearly PD-old Victorian works). The copyfraud is easily ignorable but it would help if they didn't do that. - [[User:AdamBMorgan|AdamBMorgan]] ([[User talk:AdamBMorgan|talk]]) 17:12, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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| I've created a [[User:Llywelyn2000/Welsh Language Policy|DRAFT Welsh Language Policy here]] based on the [http://www.comisiynyddygymraeg.org/English/Law/welshlanguageact1993/Pages/thirdsector.aspx Language Commisioner's] recommended template: Help Llaw. To keep everything together I suggest that any comments be kept here at the Water Cooler! I also suggest a new second policy to follow, should we agree on this one, based of the Scottish Gaelic. [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 12:37, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :Apart from any specific issues that I may have with your draft, I would say that this is not the sort of policy we want. It is a statement of something that looks like a good idea, rather than an analysis of problems, opportunities or options. I much prefer Rhyswynne's table because it is a good start at an analysis of what our options are. [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 13:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::WMUK should have both. Strategic policy and an operational action plan are different things; albeit things that should work together. The draft has a lot that Rhyswynne's table misses (and probably couldn't include) such as communication in Welsh. That does, however, bring up a potential problem: WMUK is not a large organisation and does not, to my knowledge, currently employ anyone fluent in Welsh, Scots Gaelic, Cornish etc. A commitment to answering communications in Welsh ''and'' without a delay is probably a bit too much (even with Google Translate available), especially if extended to the other native languages of the UK. Defining it as an aspiration but acknowledging the potential for a delay might be more realistic. - [[User:AdamBMorgan|AdamBMorgan]] ([[User talk:AdamBMorgan|talk]]) 16:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :::Another thought: Putting something on the [[Main Page]] about language coverage would be useful. Just a footer box, along the line of the sister links on most wiki projects, would be enough. It would be a natural assumption to read WMUK as WMEngland; something pointing out the wider remit could offset that. When/if other-language pages are made for this wiki (eg. [[Main Page/cy]]) they could be linked from here. In the meantime it could just be a simple selection of relevant languages (or possibly links to the the assorted projects within those langagues, as long as no suggestion of possession or authority is made). - [[User:AdamBMorgan|AdamBMorgan]] ([[User talk:AdamBMorgan|talk]]) 17:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::::I agree that putting something on the main page about language would be useful.
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| ::::A commitment to answering communications in Welsh ''and'' without a delay is clearly impractical at the moment... but maybe it would be a good target to aim for... or maybe we should spend our energies on something else. It's difficult to know when no analysis is included. If we did make it a target then knowing ''why'' it was a target would probably be a lot more useful than knowing ''that'' it was a target. And, of course, setting out some actions to meet the target is also essential, 1. so it isn't just wishful thinking and 2. so we can look at those actions to assess how much effort it will take. Maybe we want to commit to it if it is straight forward but not if it is really complicated. And that is just that bit of the policy. Maybe other bits of it are equally open to question... but it's difficult to know because we don't know why they are in there. Do you see my point? [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 21:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :::::My table was only just a sample of what could be included. The draft contains parts that could be implemented right away (e.g. the 'Planning' bit) while some parts may never be adopted. I'm not sur ehow WMUK goes about drawung up policies/guidleines, but how about breaking the draft down to a similar table with a column for people to accept/oppose each 'theme' and cite reasons. <small>--This comment was added by [[User:Rhyswynne|Rhyswynne]] at 08:40, 25 April 2013</small>
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| ::::::Syniad da Rhys. Dw i'n awgrymu fod hynny'n digwydd rwan, efallai ar dudalen ar wahan i hwn fel bod pawb yn medru ei ddeall. [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 12:52, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::::::This table is a great start. I suggest that Rhys uploads it onto his namespace so that we can all amend and discuss it there. I also like the suggestion that we replicate and translate WMUK's home page into Welsh asap, with a link to two or three fluent Welsh speakers who could discuss with members, potential members and users in Welsh, if that is their preferred language. In fact a number of WMUK's staff and Board members have suggested this over the last year. A [[Visit report - National Eisteddfod 8 Aug 2012|bilingual article]] was actually published in our Report Section.
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| ::::::The question of why we need to do this (asked by User:Yaris678) can be answered in many ways: Dafydd Iwan's poetry mentions that ''only a fool asks "why is snow white"''? Another answer would be ''because it is there'', but crucially: ''to respect the wishes of members or users who prefer speaking in their own language'' or ''because there is legislation in Wales endorses it, and will in the next couple of years demand it, as they do with the main institutions and local government''. Another reason of course is that WMUK in Wales can seem to be, to many people, a very foreign creature, and that may be the reason why the Scots Gaelic and the Welsh language (apart from a handful of us) do not bother joining let alone participate. But my personal reason '''why''' we need to do this is that we need to reach out with our vision and enthusiasm to people who are much happier speaking Welsh and I we must respect that choice or alienate them. It's part of a worldwide movement which strives for the conservation of the rich diversity of culture on this planet; the opposite is a Big Brother, [[:w:en:George Orwell|totalitarian]], monotone-grey, state.
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| ::::::As I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, my suggested action plan involves the only two languages which are [[:w:en:Indigenous language|indigenous]] to the countries of Britain and which are protected by legislation: Scottish (and Irish?) Gaelic and Welsh. Once this is in place we can look at other languages. [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 12:52, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :::::::You've given some reasons to do a lot more in the area of non-English languages but not necessarily reasons that lead us to what that should be. I think everyone agrees that we want to improve things in the area of non-English languages. We are just trying to work out what to do. Your reference to a totalitarian state is dangerously close to ''{{w|Reductio ad Hitlerum}}''. [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 16:40, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::::::::Presumably the first and easiest tasks would be to create a few core pages in each language on this wiki. The main pages are obvious and it will probably help if a few other important pages are done too (perhaps [[Membership]], [[Events]], [[Contact us]] and [[Board]]). I would signify language with a subpage (eg. [[Main Page/cy]], [[Main Page/sco]], [[Membership/cy]], [[Membership/sco]] etc.) but if anyone has a better idea please say so. There appear to be enough Welsh speakers here to handle that set. Perhaps others could be found on the appropriate projects; the Scottish ones could come out of the NLS WIR. - [[User:AdamBMorgan|AdamBMorgan]] ([[User talk:AdamBMorgan|talk]]) 18:01, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
| | * Is there anything that Wikimedia UK should be doing more of, or new activities that we should consider, in 2018/19? |
| | * What work would you like to see us continue? |
| | * Is there anything you think we should do less of or stop doing? |
| | * How would you like to be involved in Wikimedia UK’s programme next year? |
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| :::::::::Thanks AdamBMorgan, I've now translated around five of these suggested pages, as testspace; please feel free to amend the links etc.
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| ::::::::::AdamBMorgan said: '' A commitment to answering communications in Welsh and without a delay is probably a bit too much (even with Google Translate available)...'' One possible answer to the fact that staff at HQ do not speak fluent Welsh is to pass on any such communication to any one of the 120 fluent Welsh speakers who edit the Wici Cymraeg regulary; I certainly would be willing to answer any phonecalls, emails or other correspondance passed on to me and I know that other would also do this. [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 07:41, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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| Spinning off from my comment above, I've started this table of UK languages and associated wikiprojects: {{tl|Projectslang}}. This table just lists native languages at the moment, not the significant non-native languages like Polish, Punjabi or Urdu. It also doesn't list the currently unsupported native languages like Angloromani and Shelta. Two extinct languages ''are'' included because there are Wikimedia projects in those languages. The bold names link to potential main pages and there is some minor language switching in the bracketed language names (assuming the subpage name is the language code). The, currently unlinked, footnotes will need to be lang-switched too (and the method of doing so can stand to be upgraded too).
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| As for why bother with this, this can be placed on an appropriate languages page (or pages, as there really should be one of those for each language) or, if suitably amended, on the main page. It shows what languages Wikimedia UK could/should support and what projects could be supported as a result. It also at least acknowledges that these languages and projects exist, compared to the very English-Wikipedia-only appearance of WMUK at the moment (of course, the demographics are likely to always push in that direction).
| | Some thoughts on {{wp|WP:ACTRIAL}} and our events: |
| | *It makes sense to encourage new users to work in {{wp|Wikipedia:Drafts|Draft: name space}}. |
| | *This doesn't change the fact that it is worth asking people to create an account in advance (and to remember their password!) |
| | *We have to expect that some people won't create an account and most of those who have won't be auto-confirmed - this is OK. |
| | *If there are admins present at the event, they can make new users confirmed.... although I wouldn't stress over it - there is no harm in the Draft: name space. |
| | *All the above is less of an issue if we take the approach of [[#Training from the back of the room]] described above. If the group is split into teams that are deliberately set to have the full spread of ability, we can encourage people to help other team members, including the following: |
| | **Middle-ability people to show the people with no account how to create an account. |
| | **Experienced editors to help newer editors to find a page that might need editing. |
| | **Experienced editors to create pages that other team members are interested in editing. |
| | You could even get admins to confirm accounts of non-confirmed people in their team, but it might actually be better to not do that. If the experienced people in the team have actually created the article then at least we know it is in their contributions and so they can steward the article towards improvement. e.g. 1. the day after the event, they might go back to the article and tidy it up, 2. if the article gets tagged for deletion, they are better able to discuss it and improve it, whereas a new user may feel bitten. |
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| ::I know Isle of Man is not technically in the the UK, but where would [http://gv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ard-ghuillag Manx] fit in?--[[User:Rhyswynne|Rhyswynne]] ([[User talk:Rhyswynne|talk]]) 10:13, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :A great spinoff! I'll amend it a little on the Wicipedia Cymraeg; really useful. Thanks. [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 07:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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| :Hi Adam, thanks for putting this together. I would be cautious and spell out that this is not intended to limit Wikimedia UK if this table, or similar, is used in relation to the projects of the charity. The charity's scope is not limited to current or past "native languages" and there may be value in finding figures for all non-English languages in the UK as a basis for judging how much impact new project proposals might have for the beneficiaries of the charity (not restricted to people in the UK). As has been mentioned previously, statistically Polish is one of the highest used languages in the UK today, so encouraging Polish readers and writers to take part in our projects is probably an easy win. I doubt there is any need to make a choice between approaches, as it makes sense for us to aim to be as inclusive and diverse as possible. Cheers --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 08:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC) | | :Obvious question, where do we find data on how many non-autoconfirmed users and IPs actually make pages that satisfy Wiki Criteria? [[Special:Contributions/82.132.237.141|82.132.237.141]] 15:31, 26 September 2017 (BST) |
| ::Fæ, I can appreciate that table might give the impression of limiting the scope of the chapter if it were used in the wrong way. But so long as we are mindful of that risk it should be manageable. | | ::[[:meta:Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Analysis and proposal|According to WMF research]], of the 1,180 articles created every day on the English Wikipedia, about 7% are by non-autoconfirmed editors. [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 16:55, 2 October 2017 (BST) |
| ::I think some of the recent ideas generated by Adam and Llywelyn have been excellent and fit well into WMUK being a volunteer-led organisation. I really like the idea of mobilising volunteers to represent WMUK in non-English languages. | | :Thanks for your input Yaris678. Working in Draft: or User: space is probably going to be integral to dealing with this. I've not used Draft: much myself, but I'm keen on getting people to use their sandbox to prepare material and then copy it over. It does mean a chunk of the pages people work on aren't copied over the to the mainspace but that's a reasonable trade-off. [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 16:59, 2 October 2017 (BST) |
| ::Adam, Llywelyn, what do you think of the idea of doing a specific [[Media training for volunteers - background|media training]] session in Wales for Welsh speakers who would like to represent WMUK to Welsh-language Media? This is just an idea I have now, but if we speak to the right people I think we should be able to persuade them.
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| :::<small>''Interesting suggestion, I'd support that. It would be cool to have snippets of the odd event/workshop in Welsh on video too. :-) --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 19:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)</small> | |
| :::@Yaris678 That's exactly the sort of thing I'd like to see, although at this stage, the number of takers is likely to be low, but I'm sure that there would be demand for a Training-the-Trainers course through the medium of Welsh.--[[User:Rhyswynne|Rhyswynne]] ([[User talk:Rhyswynne|talk]]) 10:13, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ::::In fact this was discussed in the last meeting of [http://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicipedia:Wici_Cymru/Cofnodion_08_Mawrth Wici Cymru], a society to further the cause of the Wiki family in Wales. Rhys and myself have done some research into who could deliver such training. [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 11:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
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| | :The [[#Training from the back of the room]] sounds like a really interesting idea, I'm interested in this kind of collaborative/peer learning process. Sadly for the bulk of editathons I manage, this wouldn't be applicable, as I'm generally working with a whole bundle new users, trying to advocated for further use in their organisations. [[User:Lirazelf|Lirazelf]] ([[User talk:Lirazelf|talk]]) 14:07, 3 October 2017 (BST) |
| | ::Thanks Lirazelf. I guess you'll have to rely on the first four bullets - especially the draft namespace. I think it would be useful to have a non-new user move the drafts across. Preferably during the training session, so people can see their work "live" on Wikipedia, which will create excitement. Ideally, well before the end of the training so that people can continue to edit their articles in main space - seeing that this is a normal thing to do is important. |
| | ::I fringe benefit of this approach is that each article edited will be in the contributions list of at least one non-new user. That way, they can "steward" the article to a certain extent. This will be particularly important if the article is nominated for deletion - having someone who knows the ropes will help to get the article in a position to keep - and help to argue that it should be kept. But more generally it will be useful, to keep the article quality up. |
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| Is there any reason we don't have a page on-wiki for [[Press coverage]]? So that community members can add coverage of WMUK-related stuff in newspapers and other similar sources. Because, you know, [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22264118 BBC News coverage of the NLS job]. Shall I be bold and make a page where we can dump all that stuff in one place, rather than having it scattered in monthly reports and so on? —[[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] ([[User talk:Tom Morris|talk]]) 10:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
| | ==Wiki Loves Monuments UK 2017 awards announced== |
| ::Great idea - there is an old one and we put them in the monthly report but this is sensible - Can we leave him to comment on this for although he sleeps with the Westcoasters he will awake later today.
| | [[File:The Derelict West Pier of Brighton.jpg|thumb|1st prize: The derelict West Pier in Brighton, by Matthew Hoser]] |
| [[User:Jon Davies WMUK|Jon Davies WMUK]] ([[User talk:Jon Davies WMUK|talk]]) 11:34, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
| | I am very pleased to be able to announce the 2017 award winners for Wiki Loves Monuments in the UK. |
| :::Hi Tom, this is a good idea. We do record press coverage in our monthly reports but a separate page may be useful. Please, do go ahead and be bold! [[User:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|Stevie Benton (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|talk]]) 18:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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| ==Wellcome Collection and CRUK meetings==
| | First place goes to '''Matthew Hoser''' for his image of the derelict West Pier in Brighton. |
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| I have arranged meetings next week with Wellcome Collection and Cancer Research UK (these are not linked, however both on 3rd May, London), and looking for a member of community that may be interested in attending.
| | In second place was '''Paul Stümke''', who captured the Glenfinnan Viaduct at Loch Shiel. |
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| | Third was '''Oliver Tookey''' for the De La Warr Pavilion in Bexhill on Sea. |
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| Cancer Research UK will look at their recent external funding bid for a Wikimedian in Residence and see how we can improve it. Someone involved in the WikiProject Medicine may find this useful - at the same time this is an initial meeting focused on looking at paperwork and may not be of interest.
| | The special prize for the best image taken in Scotland was awarded to '''Keith Proven''' for Smailholm Tower. |
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| Any suggestions of volunteers that may benefit the meetings would be helpful. [[User:Daria Cybulska (WMUK)|Daria Cybulska (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Daria Cybulska (WMUK)|talk]]) 13:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
| | The special prize for the best image taken in Wales went to '''Sterim64''' for Craig-y-mor. |
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| | You can see all of these images, and the other stunning pictures that were awarded Highly Commended status [[Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2017_in_the_United_Kingdom/Winners|at Wikimedia Commons]]. |
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| == 2013-18 Five Year Plan, first draft. ==
| | Many congratulations to all of our prizewinners, and thanks to all who volunteered to help make the contest a success: contestants, judges, reviewers and Wikimedians in many roles. Thanks also for the kind support we received from the International team, from our friendly staff at Wikimedia UK, and from our 2017 prize sponsors, Wikimedia UK and Archaeology Scotland. [[User:MichaelMaggs|MichaelMaggs]] ([[User talk:MichaelMaggs|talk]]) 07:43, 31 October 2017 (GMT) |
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| The first draft based on the 23rd of March event, comments received so far and our previous version is now up for discussion on the wiki.
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| http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Towards_a_five_year_plan_2013-18
| | Looks like BT wants to push more people to faster internet where it has fiber: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bt-group-broadband/bt-incentivises-operators-to-move-customers-to-faster-broadband-idUKKBN1KE0LR |
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| I look forward to your comments. This version will be brought to the board for their comments in May. [[User:Jon Davies WMUK|Jon Davies WMUK]] ([[User talk:Jon Davies WMUK|talk]]) 17:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
| | Is someone monitoring the trend of average internet speed and the impact it has on user activity in the Wikimedia projects? [[User:Nemo bis|Nemo bis]] ([[User talk:Nemo bis|talk]]) 08:43, 24 July 2018 (BST) |
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| ==Wikimedia Botswana==
| | ::Hi [[User:Nemo bis|Nemo bis]], I'm not sure that our small charity has the capacity to do something like this, or how it might benefit us. You are welcome to expand on why you think this would be a good idea if you like. [[User:John Lubbock (WMUK)|John Lubbock (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:John Lubbock (WMUK)|talk]]) 12:29, 2 April 2019 (BST) |
| Can anyone help Wikimedia Botswana with drafting their docs? (sorry for not linking it correctly)
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| *http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Botswana
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| [[User:Philafrenzy|Philafrenzy]] ([[User talk:Philafrenzy|talk]]) 15:51, 28 April 2013 (UTC) | |
