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== Working with non-English language Wikipedias / language policy ==
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== Kanban for editathons ==
 
[[File:WCCWiki4.jpg|thumb|A {{wp|kanban board}} at the Women in Classical Studies editathon at Senate House, London]]
I just saw the newsletter with a picture of the {{wp|kanban board}} used at the Women in Classical Studies editathon.  What a great idea!  It helps people share what they are working on.  Helps to avoid edit conflicts.  Enables organisers to list all the articles that have been improved.  It could possibly work well for a recap session at the end too, where people talk about the changes they made.
 
Who was involved with that editathon?  Who has used it elsewhere?  I would love to hear how it has been used in practice.
 
[[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 15:09, 3 February 2017 (GMT)
 
: Hi [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]], I was the lead trainer at the [[ wikipedia:Meetups/UK/Institute_of_Classical_Studies_Jan_2017 |Women in Classical Studies editathon]]. I saw the kanban in an [https://www.instagram.com/p/BClfaSjhVdG/ Instagram post] for an [[wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism|Art+Feminism]] editathon. It worked much better than expected - a fantastic indicator of the [https://youtu.be/bAWxTPZZNrg?t=2m27s achievements of the day].[[User:Eartha78|Eartha78]] ([[User talk:Eartha78|talk]]) 19:02, 3 February 2017 (GMT)
 
::Cool.  So how did you use it?  Did you get people to brainstorm a load of post-its of articles to look at, at the beginning of the day?  Did you just say 'if you have an idea, stick it on the board'?  Did you come with the post-its filled out already?  [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 10:25, 11 February 2017 (GMT)
 
::: The group were quite well prepared prior to the editathon. They had identified a number of articles to create - some had already done the research and started to writing in their sandbox. When we began the second part of the editathon they each committed to an article, wrote it on a sticky note and stuck it to the wall!  Moving the notes from left to right was surprisingly motivating and a good excuse to stretch ones legs. Also used the sticky notes for an evaluation exercise at the end of the session. [[User:Eartha78|Eartha78]] ([[User talk:Eartha78|talk]]) 18:27, 16 February 2017 (GMT)
 
::::Thank you Eartha78. That is really interesting. I will use this next time I do an editathon.  [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 09:39, 19 February 2017 (GMT)
 
== Wikimedia UK's plans for 2018 - community consultation ==
[[File:Programmes Consultation Video - Wikimedia UK.webm|centre|thumb|800x800px|Watch our video about our plans for 2018]]
 
Wikimedia UK is in the process of writing our proposal to the Wikimedia Foundation for funding during 2018/19. The deadline for the bid is 1st October after which it is assessed by staff at the Foundation, there is an opportunity for community feedback and questions, and the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) meet to consider proposals and make recommendations about grants.
 
As 2018/19 is the final year of our 2016 - 2019 strategy, our programme for next year is in many ways a continuation of our activities in 2017 and falls under three key strands:
 
# Diverse content and contributors
# Promoting open knowledge
# Education and Learning


Hello everyone. During a recent discussion about the [http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/04/1533/ Wikimedian in Residence role at the National Library of Scotland] a valid point was raised about notifying Wikipedians who spoke Gaelic to the role. I think everyone is aware that there are opportunities for Wikimedia UK to do some excellent outreach work to speakers of non-English languages and Wikipedians who work on non-English language projects. These are not limited to what might be called indigenous UK languages such as Kernowac or Gaelic, but could also include languages that are pretty widely spoken such as Bengali, Polish and Hindi. If anyone has any suggestions on how we might successfully do this please do share them here. It was also noted that we may have a need for a language policy, particularly to cover any Wikimedian in Residence roles (and, potentially any eventual Wikimedia UK recruitment) in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Again, comments and suggestions are very welcome. Thanks in advance for any input on this important topic! [[User:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|Stevie Benton (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|talk]]) 23:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
These strands are directly related to our three strategic goals, which are to:


:The inspiration for such a Policy came from a discussion on Scotland, and therefore this thread should really only involve the WMUK's involvement in Scotland rather than an overarching linguistic policy on the situation of minority languages (such as Bengali) in England. Our Policy on Scotland must begin with the [[:w:en:Gaelic Language (Scotland) Act 2005|Gaelic Language (Scotland) Act 2005]] and [[:w:en:Bòrd na Gàidhlig|Bòrd na Gàidhlig]] who are responsible for Gaelic on behalf of the Scottish Government. Wales has similar, yet stronger, legislation (including the [[:w:en:Welsh Language Act 1993|Welsh Language Act 1993]] and the [[:w:en:National Assembly for Wales (Official Languages) Act 2012|National Assembly for Wales (Official Languages) Act 2012]]) which gave the Welsh language official status in Wales - and I suggest that we also include Wales in our Policy, under a separate heading. In Wales the [[:w:en:Welsh Language Commissioner|Welsh Language Commissioner]] ensures that ''"In Wales, the Welsh language should be treated no less favourably than the English language"'' and ''"Persons in Wales should be able to live their lives through the medium of the Welsh language if they choose to do so."'' There are common elements to both countries, which should be acknowledged as should over-riding international law, including [[:w:en:European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages|European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages]], the [[:w:en:Universal Declaration of Linguistic Rights|Universal Declaration of Linguistic Rights]] (1996) and to some extent the [[:w:en:International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights|International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights]]. -- [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 01:31, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
* Increase the quality and quantity of coverage of subjects that are currently underrepresented on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects
* Contribute to the development of open knowledge in the UK, by increasing understanding and recognition of the value of open knowledge and advocating for change at an organisational, sectoral and public policy level
* Support the use of the Wikimedia projects as important tools for education and learning in the UK
We would welcome input from the UK community into our plans for next year - which we are still shaping - and have created a short video to highlight our programme strands which you can watch [https://youtu.be/56s3Ch7sHbQ here]. You can give us feedback on our programme anytime, but if you’d like your views to be taken into account in our submission to the Wikimedia Foundation for funding, please do comment below by Friday 29th September. If you’d prefer to get in touch by email, feel free to contact me on lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk.


:: I would strongly counsel against taking a leaf from the UK's public sector rules on this; they are overly-heavyweight and proscriptive, and don't actually apply to Wikimedia or WMUK. Instead, the focus should be on engagement with and support for non-English language groups (be that Welsh/Gaelic/BSL/Polish/Bengali/Arabic/''etc.'') - the question really is "are there people with such interests in our communities?" - if yes, where are they and what do they want?; if no, are there things we're doing wrongly that we could correct, and/or are there appropriate groups with whom we can reach out to encourage such participation. [[User:Jdforrester|Jdforrester]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester|talk]]) 05:32, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
There are several questions in particular that I’d like to ask:
::: Jdforrester - the employer here is The National Library, not WMUK, they are not only in the public sector but are bound by the laws (not "rules") of Scotland, and their own in-house language Policy. No, they don't apply to Wikimeda UK, but they certainly do to the employer. I've outlined my reasons above why the Policy should mention specifically the different countries (Scotland and Wales) and imho the title should reflect this; I suggest "WMUK's Language Policy for Wales and Scotland". A separate document could be written for other languages which have lesser legal status. In answer to the second half of you comment may I refer you to the Gaelic speaking community [http://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%AComh-Dhuilleag here] where we have a very live Gaelic speaking wiki. Your most important comment ''are there things we're doing wrongly that we could correct'' is very honest and needs addressing. If we have ignored wiki-gd thus far, we need to embrace that community, support and encourage them to be part of our dream; more importantly: can we be part of their dream, their vision? A Language Policy to guide us would be a good start. [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 08:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


: The most obvious thing is to ask the National Library of Scotland, as they deal with outreach to non-English minorities all the time for recruitment and the WIR is going to be their employee. It may be time for WMUK to run an open discussion about how best to engage with minority groups, this is more likely to reach meaningful conclusions if supported with advice from minority group organizations and using channels and forums where their members hangout. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 06:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
* Is there anything that Wikimedia UK should be doing more of, or new activities that we should consider, in 2018/19?
* What work would you like to see us continue?
* Is there anything you think we should do less of or stop doing?
* How would you like to be involved in Wikimedia UK’s programme next year?


::Exactly! [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 08:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
With many thanks indeed for your input.
 
[[User:LucyCrompton-Reid (WMUK)|LucyCrompton-Reid (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:LucyCrompton-Reid (WMUK)|talk]]) 13:39, 21 September 2017 (BST)


:Also as regards Irish, see [[W:en:Coláiste Feirste|Coláiste Feirste]], a secondary Irish Medium School in Belfast.[[Special:Contributions/86.157.228.106|86.157.228.106]] 09:26, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
== ACTRIAL and new users creating new pages at events ==


::Yes indeed! Is there legislation for the Irish language in Northern Ireland? Do you have any other links, relevant to writing a language Policy? [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 10:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi All,
*Of course there are laws that we and our partners and potential partners need to follow, but we also need to remember that we are part of a global movement with a global mission. We have a huge amount of the world's heritage in the possession of UK GLAMs, and in many cases as with [[:en:Tipu%27s_Tiger|Tipu's Tiger]] and [http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2013/02/the-british-library-picturing-canada-and-photos-of-cats/ the British library's Canada collection] we can be the facilitator to get global access to cultural information that is in the UK. Helping UK institutions reach out to non-English speakers here, as tourists or on the web could be at the heart of what the Wikimedia movement associates Wikimedia UK with. [[User:Jonathan Cardy (WMUK)|Jonathan Cardy (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Jonathan Cardy (WMUK)|talk]]) 10:54, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
::I agree it would be great for WMUK to be known for the internationalism of our work with cultural heritage; and as you highlight we already are. Over the weekend we met with WMIN representatives to take this particular relationship forward due to obvious shared heritage with key assets in the British Library and other institutions that are of immense value for Indian culture and history. Similarly the initiatives you mention that I took part in sponsoring are great examples of simple international partnerships working within our movement.
::We are a highly successful global movement, however we do not lead the field with expertise in multi-lingual outreach or accessibility, in fact, at times we are naff at it compared to other global organizations of volunteers. We had a successful global conference in Milan, however the conference materials and presentations were almost entirely in English and the conference venue and social venues failed to assure wheelchair access, even though we knew that one participant was restricted to a wheelchair (I'm aware of the issues that came up as I took some time out for a quiet and interesting chat about access with the person affected). As an example of our maturity along these lines, I think this is fairly normal for us, and even though we can probably think of counter-examples where it has worked much better, this has not yet transferred into policy and standard practice. Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 11:22, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
:::From my experience of Wikipedia I thought that creating policies was something that comes naturally! But seriously though, I’d suggest that WMUK has some sort of guide at the very least if not a policy. Formally informing the Gaelic and Scots wikis of this post at the same time as the English one would have just been common courtesy.  I don’t for one minute think there was an intention to insult, but its little oversights like this that tends go get people's back up and rightly or wrongly add to the perception that WMUK is more focussed on one langue wiki over others. '''IF''' it is agreed that a language/languages guide or policy is a good idea, then the [http://www.estynllaw.org/index.php Estyn Llaw] project in Wales has a wealth of [http://www.estynllaw.org/en/cyngor.php advice and guidance], '''some''' of which can be taken on board and adapted.  Here are some suggestions (of mine) on how to draw up a guide:


{| class="wikitable"
Some thoughts on {{wp|WP:ACTRIAL}} and our events:
|-
*It makes sense to encourage new users to work in {{wp|Wikipedia:Drafts|Draft: name space}}.
! Theme !! Level<br> (easy, tricky, wishful thinking!) !! Example !! Advantage !! Risks !! Obstacles !! Solutions
*This doesn't change the fact that it is worth asking people to create an account in advance (and to remember their password!)
|-
*We have to expect that some people won't create an account and most of those who have won't be auto-confirmed - this is OK.
|Attracting staff with bilingual skills || tricky || Attracting Gaelic speakers to apply for WIR post || *Make good use of Gaelic material at NSL<br> *Increase content on Gaelic wiki || || ||
*If there are admins present at the event, they can make new users confirmed.... although I wouldn't stress over it - there is no harm in the Draft: name space.
*Post notice on Gaelic wiki (!)
*All the above is less of an issue if we take the approach of [[#Training from the back of the room]] described above.  If the group is split into teams that are deliberately set to have the full spread of ability, we can encourage people to help other team members, including the following:
|-
**Middle-ability people to show the people with no account how to create an account.
|Organising events || easy || If arranging a series of events in Wales, arrange a proportion of them through the medium of Welsh || *Attract new editors in that language *Increase content on Welsh wiki || ||WMUK staff does not speak the language || *Ask local volunteers to help <br>*If a GLAM type event, ask if partner organisation has Welsh speaking staff
**Experienced editors to help newer editors to find a page that might need editing.
|-
**Experienced editors to create pages that other team members are interested in editing.
|Organising events || easy || If one event in Wales, make Welsh visable, e.g. have publicity/posters/webpage bilingually, greet guests in both languages|| *Attract new editors in that language<br> *Increase content on Welsh wiki || ||WMUK staff do not speak the language ||
You could even get admins to confirm accounts of non-confirmed people in their team, but it might actually be better to not do that.  If the experienced people in the team have actually created the article then at least we know it is in their contributions and so they can steward the article towards improvement. e.g. 1. the day after the event, they might go back to the article and tidy it up, 2. if the article gets tagged for deletion, they are better able to discuss it and improve it, whereas a new user may feel bitten.
*Ask local volunteers to help <br> *If a GLAM type event, ask if partner organisation has Welsh speaking staff
 
|-
[[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 14:44, 25 September 2017 (BST)
|Publicity || easy (ish) || If promoting event/story related to Wales , send out press release in English and Welsh ||  Increase likelihood of story in Welsh language media || *Translation could mean delay<br> *Translation could mean cost ||WMUK staff do not speak the language ||
 
*(cost) Ask local volunteers to help
:Obvious question, where do we find data on how many non-autoconfirmed users and IPs actually make pages that satisfy Wiki Criteria? [[Special:Contributions/82.132.237.141|82.132.237.141]] 15:31, 26 September 2017 (BST)
*(time) Give volunteers plenty of notice
::[[:meta:Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Analysis and proposal|According to WMF research]], of the 1,180 articles created every day on the English Wikipedia, about 7% are by non-autoconfirmed editors. [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 16:55, 2 October 2017 (BST)
|}
:Thanks for your input Yaris678. Working in Draft: or User: space is probably going to be integral to dealing with this. I've not used Draft: much myself, but I'm keen on getting people to use their sandbox to prepare material and then copy it over. It does mean a chunk of the pages people work on aren't copied over the to the mainspace but that's a reasonable trade-off. [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 16:59, 2 October 2017 (BST)
:::Anyway, just some thoughts/ ideas I wanted to share!--[[User:Rhyswynne|Rhyswynne]] ([[User talk:Rhyswynne|talk]]) 13:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 
*As a general rule I think we should work starting with existing Wikipedian communities, rather than trying to build from scratch. This is what we have successfully done in Wales, & pretty much failed to do with the "non-native" language communities in the UK. As far as I can see the level of activity on the Gaelic WP is really very low, & most editors are probably based in the relatively Gaelic-speaking areas. We don't AFAIK have an inside contact, equivalent to Robin, which is an essential first step; then we'd be able to announce things to the Gaelic WP in Gaelic, which of course we should do with things like this. By all means add it as a desirable thing for the Edinburgh post, but I don't see we need a policy. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 16:30, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
:The [[#Training from the back of the room]] sounds like a really interesting idea, I'm interested in this kind of collaborative/peer learning processSadly for the bulk of editathons I manage, this wouldn't be applicable, as I'm generally working with a whole bundle new users, trying to advocated for further use in their organisations. [[User:Lirazelf|Lirazelf]] ([[User talk:Lirazelf|talk]]) 14:07, 3 October 2017 (BST)
**Of course, it depends what we mean by policy.  We don't want to break anybody's balls over this and we don't want a load of legalistic verbiageBut some kind of direction would be useful.  I think Rhyswynne's table is an excellent start for that and I also agree with Johnbod that working with existing Wikimedian communities will help in a lot of respects. [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 17:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks Lirazelf. I guess you'll have to rely on the first four bullets - especially the draft namespace. I think it would be useful to have a non-new user move the drafts acrossPreferably during the training session, so people can see their work "live" on Wikipedia, which will create excitementIdeally, well before the end of the training so that people can continue to edit their articles in main space - seeing that this is a normal thing to do is important.
* FYI elsewhere in Wikimedia, these languages don't even have dedicated Wikisources yetI mention this as the original conversation brought up "Gaelic manuscripts and books" and "Scots classics" at the National Library of ScotlandMultilingual Wikisource covers them, however. [[oldwikisource:Category:Gàidhlig|Gàidhlig]] currently has a glorious one text (and, even then, has no source for it), while [[oldwikisource:Category:Kernewek|Kernewek]] has twenty texts and [[oldwikisource:Category:Gaeilge|Gaeilge]] has many[[wikisource:Category:Text in Scots|Scots]] is actually part of English Wikisource, with 22 texts.  This doesn't even need material from NLS to rectify, the Internet Archive has at least a few works available ([http://archive.org/details/seanchaidhnatrag00macc Example]). It just needs people(NB: All appear to have Wiktionaries but [[wiktionary:gd:|Gàidhlig Wiktionary]] looks to be in bad shape.) - [[User:AdamBMorgan|AdamBMorgan]] ([[User talk:AdamBMorgan|talk]]) 17:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
::I fringe benefit of this approach is that each article edited will be in the contributions list of at least one non-new userThat way, they can "steward" the article to a certain extent.  This will be particularly important if the article is nominated for deletion - having someone who knows the ropes will help to get the article in a position to keep - and help to argue that it should be keptBut more generally it will be useful, to keep the article quality up.
*:Further to this: NLS have [http://archive.org/details/nationallibraryofscotland a section] on the Internet Archive but all their texts appear it have CC-BY-NC licences (even the clearly PD-old Victorian works). The copyfraud is easily ignorable but it would help if they didn't do that. - [[User:AdamBMorgan|AdamBMorgan]] ([[User talk:AdamBMorgan|talk]]) 17:12, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
::[[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 12:59, 19 October 2017 (BST)
 
==Wiki Loves Monuments UK 2017 awards announced==
[[File:The Derelict West Pier of Brighton.jpg|thumb|1st prize: The derelict West Pier in Brighton, by Matthew Hoser]]
I am very pleased to be able to announce the 2017 award winners for Wiki Loves Monuments in the UK.
 
First place goes to '''Matthew Hoser''' for his image of the derelict West Pier in Brighton.
 
In second place was '''Paul Stümke''', who captured the Glenfinnan Viaduct at Loch Shiel.
 
Third was '''Oliver Tookey''' for the De La Warr Pavilion in Bexhill on Sea.
 
The special prize for the best image taken in Scotland was awarded to '''Keith Proven''' for Smailholm Tower.
 
The special prize for the best image taken in Wales went to '''Sterim64''' for Craig-y-mor.
 
You can see all of these images, and the other stunning pictures that were awarded Highly Commended status [[Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2017_in_the_United_Kingdom/Winners|at Wikimedia Commons]].


I've created a [[User:Llywelyn2000/Welsh Language Policy|DRAFT Welsh Language Policy here]] based on the [http://www.comisiynyddygymraeg.org/English/Law/welshlanguageact1993/Pages/thirdsector.aspx Language Commisioner's] recommended template: Help Llaw. To keep everything together I suggest that any comments be kept here at the Water Cooler! I also suggest a new second policy to follow, should we agree on this one, based of the Scottish Gaelic. [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 12:37, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Many congratulations to all of our prizewinners, and thanks to all who volunteered to help make the contest a success: contestants, judges, reviewers and Wikimedians in many rolesThanks also for the kind support we received from the International team, from our friendly staff at Wikimedia UK, and from our 2017 prize sponsors, Wikimedia UK and Archaeology Scotland. [[User:MichaelMaggs|MichaelMaggs]] ([[User talk:MichaelMaggs|talk]]) 07:43, 31 October 2017 (GMT)
:Apart from any specific issues that I may have with your draft, I would say that this is not the sort of policy we want.  It is a statement of something that looks like a good idea, rather than an analysis of problems, opportunities or options.  I much prefer Rhyswynne's table because it is a good start at an analysis of what our options are.  [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 13:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
::WMUK should have both.  Strategic policy and an operational action plan are different things; albeit things that should work together.  The draft has a lot that Rhyswynne's table misses (and probably couldn't include) such as communication in Welsh.  That does, however, bring up a potential problem: WMUK is not a large organisation and does not, to my knowledge, currently employ anyone fluent in Welsh, Scots Gaelic, Cornish etc.  A commitment to answering communications in Welsh ''and'' without a delay is probably a bit too much (even with Google Translate available), especially if extended to the other native languages of the UK.  Defining it as an aspiration but acknowledging the potential for a delay might be more realistic. - [[User:AdamBMorgan|AdamBMorgan]] ([[User talk:AdamBMorgan|talk]]) 16:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Another thought: Putting something on the [[Main Page]] about language coverage would be useful.  Just a footer box, along the line of the sister links on most wiki projects, would be enoughIt would be a natural assumption to read WMUK as WMEngland; something pointing out the wider remit could offset that.  When/if other-language pages are made for this wiki (eg. [[Main Page/cy]]) they could be linked from here.  In the meantime it could just be a simple selection of relevant languages (or possibly links to the the assorted projects within those langagues, as long as no suggestion of possession or authority is made). - [[User:AdamBMorgan|AdamBMorgan]] ([[User talk:AdamBMorgan|talk]]) 17:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
::::I agree that putting something on the main page about language would be useful.
::::A commitment to answering communications in Welsh ''and'' without a delay is clearly impractical at the moment... but maybe it would be a good target to aim for... or maybe we should spend our energies on something else.  It's difficult to know when no analysis is included.  If we did make it a target then knowing ''why'' it was a target would probably be a lot more useful than knowing ''that'' it was a target.  And, of course, setting out some actions to meet the target is also essential, 1. so it isn't just wishful thinking and 2. so we can look at those actions to assess how much effort it will take.  Maybe we want to commit to it if it is straight forward but not if it is really complicated.  And that is just that bit of the policy.  Maybe other bits of it are equally open to question... but it's difficult to know because we don't know why they are in there.  Do you see my point?  [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 21:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::My table was only just a sample of what could be included. The draft contains parts that could be implemented right away (e.g. the 'Planning' bit) while some parts may never be adopted. I'm not sur ehow WMUK goes about drawung up policies/guidleines, but how about breaking the draft down to a similar table with a column for people to accept/oppose each 'theme' and cite reasons. <small>--This comment was added by [[User:Rhyswynne|Rhyswynne]] at 08:40, 25 April 2013‎</small>
::::::Syniad da Rhys. Dw i'n awgrymu fod hynny'n digwydd rwan, efallai ar dudalen ar wahan i hwn fel bod pawb yn medru ei ddeall. [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 12:52, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


::::::This table is a great start. I suggest that Rhys uploads it onto his namespace so that we can all amend and discuss it there. I also like the suggestion that we replicate and translate WMUK's home page into Welsh asap, with a link to two or three fluent Welsh speakers who could discuss with members, potential members and users in Welsh, if that is their preferred language. In fact a number of WMUK's staff and Board members have suggested this over the last year. A [[Visit report - National Eisteddfod 8 Aug 2012|bilingual article]] was actually published in our Report Section.
== Effects of broadband ==


::::::The question of why we need to do this (asked by User:Yaris678) can be answered in many ways: Dafydd Iwan's poetry mentions that ''only a fool asks "why is snow white"''? Another answer would be ''because it is there'', but crucially: ''to respect the wishes of members or users who prefer speaking in their own language'' or ''because there is legislation in Wales endorses it, and will in the next couple of years demand it, as they do with the main institutions and local government''. Another reason of course is that WMUK in Wales can seem to be, to many people, a very foreign creature, and that may be the reason why the Scots Gaelic and the Welsh language (apart from a handful of us) do not bother joining let alone participate. But my personal reason '''why''' we need to do this is that we need to reach out with our vision and enthusiasm to people who are much happier speaking Welsh and I we must respect that choice or alienate them. It's part of a worldwide movement which strives for the conservation of the rich diversity of culture on this planet; the opposite is a Big Brother, [[:w:en:George Orwell|totalitarian]], monotone-grey, state.
Looks like BT wants to push more people to faster internet where it has fiber: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bt-group-broadband/bt-incentivises-operators-to-move-customers-to-faster-broadband-idUKKBN1KE0LR


::::::As I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, my suggested action plan involves the only two languages which are [[:w:en:Indigenous language|indigenous]] to the countries of Britain and which are protected by legislation: Scottish (and Irish?) Gaelic and Welsh. Once this is in place we can look at other languages. [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 12:52, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Is someone monitoring the trend of average internet speed and the impact it has on user activity in the Wikimedia projects? [[User:Nemo bis|Nemo bis]] ([[User talk:Nemo bis|talk]]) 08:43, 24 July 2018 (BST)


:::::::You've given some reasons to do a lot more in the area of non-English languages but not necessarily reasons that lead us to what that should be.  I think everyone agrees that we want to improve things in the area of non-English languages.  We are just trying to work out what to do. Your reference to a totalitarian state is dangerously close to ''{{w|Reductio ad Hitlerum}}''. [[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 16:40, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
::Hi [[User:Nemo bis|Nemo bis]], I'm not sure that our small charity has the capacity to do something like this, or how it might benefit us. You are welcome to expand on why you think this would be a good idea if you like. [[User:John Lubbock (WMUK)|John Lubbock (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:John Lubbock (WMUK)|talk]]) 12:29, 2 April 2019 (BST)

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Kanban for editathons

A kanban board at the Women in Classical Studies editathon at Senate House, London

I just saw the newsletter with a picture of the kanban board used at the Women in Classical Studies editathon. What a great idea! It helps people share what they are working on. Helps to avoid edit conflicts. Enables organisers to list all the articles that have been improved. It could possibly work well for a recap session at the end too, where people talk about the changes they made.

Who was involved with that editathon? Who has used it elsewhere? I would love to hear how it has been used in practice.

Yaris678 (talk) 15:09, 3 February 2017 (GMT)

Hi Yaris678, I was the lead trainer at the Women in Classical Studies editathon. I saw the kanban in an Instagram post for an Art+Feminism editathon. It worked much better than expected - a fantastic indicator of the achievements of the day.Eartha78 (talk) 19:02, 3 February 2017 (GMT)
Cool. So how did you use it? Did you get people to brainstorm a load of post-its of articles to look at, at the beginning of the day? Did you just say 'if you have an idea, stick it on the board'? Did you come with the post-its filled out already? Yaris678 (talk) 10:25, 11 February 2017 (GMT)
The group were quite well prepared prior to the editathon. They had identified a number of articles to create - some had already done the research and started to writing in their sandbox. When we began the second part of the editathon they each committed to an article, wrote it on a sticky note and stuck it to the wall! Moving the notes from left to right was surprisingly motivating and a good excuse to stretch ones legs. Also used the sticky notes for an evaluation exercise at the end of the session. Eartha78 (talk) 18:27, 16 February 2017 (GMT)
Thank you Eartha78. That is really interesting. I will use this next time I do an editathon. Yaris678 (talk) 09:39, 19 February 2017 (GMT)

Wikimedia UK's plans for 2018 - community consultation

Watch our video about our plans for 2018

Wikimedia UK is in the process of writing our proposal to the Wikimedia Foundation for funding during 2018/19. The deadline for the bid is 1st October after which it is assessed by staff at the Foundation, there is an opportunity for community feedback and questions, and the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) meet to consider proposals and make recommendations about grants.

As 2018/19 is the final year of our 2016 - 2019 strategy, our programme for next year is in many ways a continuation of our activities in 2017 and falls under three key strands:

  1. Diverse content and contributors
  2. Promoting open knowledge
  3. Education and Learning

These strands are directly related to our three strategic goals, which are to:

  • Increase the quality and quantity of coverage of subjects that are currently underrepresented on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects
  • Contribute to the development of open knowledge in the UK, by increasing understanding and recognition of the value of open knowledge and advocating for change at an organisational, sectoral and public policy level
  • Support the use of the Wikimedia projects as important tools for education and learning in the UK

We would welcome input from the UK community into our plans for next year - which we are still shaping - and have created a short video to highlight our programme strands which you can watch here. You can give us feedback on our programme anytime, but if you’d like your views to be taken into account in our submission to the Wikimedia Foundation for funding, please do comment below by Friday 29th September. If you’d prefer to get in touch by email, feel free to contact me on lucy.crompton-reid@wikimedia.org.uk.

There are several questions in particular that I’d like to ask:

  • Is there anything that Wikimedia UK should be doing more of, or new activities that we should consider, in 2018/19?
  • What work would you like to see us continue?
  • Is there anything you think we should do less of or stop doing?
  • How would you like to be involved in Wikimedia UK’s programme next year?

With many thanks indeed for your input.

LucyCrompton-Reid (WMUK) (talk) 13:39, 21 September 2017 (BST)

ACTRIAL and new users creating new pages at events

Hi All,

Some thoughts on WP:ACTRIAL and our events:

  • It makes sense to encourage new users to work in Draft: name space.
  • This doesn't change the fact that it is worth asking people to create an account in advance (and to remember their password!)
  • We have to expect that some people won't create an account and most of those who have won't be auto-confirmed - this is OK.
  • If there are admins present at the event, they can make new users confirmed.... although I wouldn't stress over it - there is no harm in the Draft: name space.
  • All the above is less of an issue if we take the approach of #Training from the back of the room described above. If the group is split into teams that are deliberately set to have the full spread of ability, we can encourage people to help other team members, including the following:
    • Middle-ability people to show the people with no account how to create an account.
    • Experienced editors to help newer editors to find a page that might need editing.
    • Experienced editors to create pages that other team members are interested in editing.

You could even get admins to confirm accounts of non-confirmed people in their team, but it might actually be better to not do that. If the experienced people in the team have actually created the article then at least we know it is in their contributions and so they can steward the article towards improvement. e.g. 1. the day after the event, they might go back to the article and tidy it up, 2. if the article gets tagged for deletion, they are better able to discuss it and improve it, whereas a new user may feel bitten.

Yaris678 (talk) 14:44, 25 September 2017 (BST)

Obvious question, where do we find data on how many non-autoconfirmed users and IPs actually make pages that satisfy Wiki Criteria? 82.132.237.141 15:31, 26 September 2017 (BST)
According to WMF research, of the 1,180 articles created every day on the English Wikipedia, about 7% are by non-autoconfirmed editors. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 16:55, 2 October 2017 (BST)
Thanks for your input Yaris678. Working in Draft: or User: space is probably going to be integral to dealing with this. I've not used Draft: much myself, but I'm keen on getting people to use their sandbox to prepare material and then copy it over. It does mean a chunk of the pages people work on aren't copied over the to the mainspace but that's a reasonable trade-off. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2017 (BST)
The #Training from the back of the room sounds like a really interesting idea, I'm interested in this kind of collaborative/peer learning process. Sadly for the bulk of editathons I manage, this wouldn't be applicable, as I'm generally working with a whole bundle new users, trying to advocated for further use in their organisations. Lirazelf (talk) 14:07, 3 October 2017 (BST)
Thanks Lirazelf. I guess you'll have to rely on the first four bullets - especially the draft namespace. I think it would be useful to have a non-new user move the drafts across. Preferably during the training session, so people can see their work "live" on Wikipedia, which will create excitement. Ideally, well before the end of the training so that people can continue to edit their articles in main space - seeing that this is a normal thing to do is important.
I fringe benefit of this approach is that each article edited will be in the contributions list of at least one non-new user. That way, they can "steward" the article to a certain extent. This will be particularly important if the article is nominated for deletion - having someone who knows the ropes will help to get the article in a position to keep - and help to argue that it should be kept. But more generally it will be useful, to keep the article quality up.
Yaris678 (talk) 12:59, 19 October 2017 (BST)

Wiki Loves Monuments UK 2017 awards announced

1st prize: The derelict West Pier in Brighton, by Matthew Hoser

I am very pleased to be able to announce the 2017 award winners for Wiki Loves Monuments in the UK.

First place goes to Matthew Hoser for his image of the derelict West Pier in Brighton.

In second place was Paul Stümke, who captured the Glenfinnan Viaduct at Loch Shiel.

Third was Oliver Tookey for the De La Warr Pavilion in Bexhill on Sea.

The special prize for the best image taken in Scotland was awarded to Keith Proven for Smailholm Tower.

The special prize for the best image taken in Wales went to Sterim64 for Craig-y-mor.

You can see all of these images, and the other stunning pictures that were awarded Highly Commended status at Wikimedia Commons.

Many congratulations to all of our prizewinners, and thanks to all who volunteered to help make the contest a success: contestants, judges, reviewers and Wikimedians in many roles. Thanks also for the kind support we received from the International team, from our friendly staff at Wikimedia UK, and from our 2017 prize sponsors, Wikimedia UK and Archaeology Scotland. MichaelMaggs (talk) 07:43, 31 October 2017 (GMT)

Effects of broadband

Looks like BT wants to push more people to faster internet where it has fiber: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bt-group-broadband/bt-incentivises-operators-to-move-customers-to-faster-broadband-idUKKBN1KE0LR

Is someone monitoring the trend of average internet speed and the impact it has on user activity in the Wikimedia projects? Nemo bis (talk) 08:43, 24 July 2018 (BST)

Hi Nemo bis, I'm not sure that our small charity has the capacity to do something like this, or how it might benefit us. You are welcome to expand on why you think this would be a good idea if you like. John Lubbock (WMUK) (talk) 12:29, 2 April 2019 (BST)