Meetings/2009-03-10/IRC

#wikimedia-uk-board

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[21:27] KTC: hello
[21:27] cfp: so yeah a few hundred.
[21:27] AndrewRT: Can I mention something now then?
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[21:28] AndrewRT: Our teller has asked if we could cover his travel costs
[21:28] mpeel_: hi all. Apologies for my tardiness.
[21:28] cfp: seems reasonable.
[21:28] Warofdreams: Andrew: I think that's only fair
[21:28] AndrewRT: Me too
[21:28] AndrewRT: I'll let him know
[21:28] KTC: yes
[21:28] AndrewRT: shoudl I send him a claim form?
[21:29] KTC: i'm all yes to these expenses request
[21:29] AndrewRT: ok
[21:29] KTC: the issue of paying who first with the money we have now is something for the tresurer to deal with 
[21:29] cfp: well afterwards would make more sense. is he desperate to get paid?
[21:29] AndrewRT: no thats fine
[21:29] AndrewRT: I was just going to send him a copy so he can fill it in when he travels
[21:29] Warofdreams: do we want to say that new board members' travel home will be paid?  sounds like a potential mess, if they have a return train/coach ticket.
[21:30] AndrewRT: I don't think we should, personally
[21:30] AndrewRT: candidates are free t show up or not - Board members are expected
[21:30] cfp: k
[21:30] KTC: i'm fine with that
[21:31] KTC: Warofdreams, mpeel_ ?
[21:31] mpeel_: sorry; I'm trying to catch up...
[21:31] Warofdreams: I'm happy with that (presumably the new board could decide to reimburse themselves if they're that broke)
[21:31] AndrewRT: Hi Mike btw
[21:31] KTC: <Warofdreams> do we want to say that new board members' travel home will be paid?  sounds like a potential mess, if they have a return train/coach ticket.
[21:31] KTC: <AndrewRT> I don't think we should, personally
[21:31] mpeel_: paying for teller's travel: makes sense. I don't think board members, either present or future, should claim personally.
[21:32] AndrewRT: what about board members organising the AGM, chairing the meeting?
[21:32] KTC: board members are expected to attend the agm, i don't think we can say that's not expense
[21:33] Warofdreams: it would be pretty standard to permit board members to claim.  Of course, we might choose not to claim (or we might claim and then make a donation)
[21:33] KTC: whether we individually decide to claim is different
[21:33] mpeel_: I'm happy to be overruled with current board members claiming; it won't affect me much either way.
[21:33] AndrewRT: no indeed!
[21:33] Warofdreams: bus fare of a couple of quid!
[21:33] KTC: right, let's move on
[21:33] KTC: or rather, back
[21:33] AndrewRT: (we'ev agreed to have it in manc btw)
[21:33] KTC: to websites
[21:34] KTC: mpeel_
[21:34] mpeel_: Bugs are still open; I haven't seen anything happen with them yet.
[21:34] mpeel_: Will poke the developers about them.
[21:34] mpeel_: I haven't heard anything from mike godwin about theWMF's domain policy; I also need to chase that.
[21:34] KTC: can you just remind the meeting (i.e. me) what this was about?
[21:35] mpeel_: subpages, and disabling the WMF-wide sitenotice.
[21:35] mpeel_: neither are particularly urgent.
[21:35] AndrewRT: >> MP has put in requests to enable subpages on the website and disable centralised Wikimedia notices.
[21:35] AndrewRT: (from mins)
[21:35] KTC: while we're on website, um, can the chair be made an admin / bur ?
[21:35] KTC:
[21:35] AndrewRT: where are we up to on wikimedia.org.uk?
[21:35] mpeel_: "I haven't heard anything from mike godwin about theWMF's domain policy; I also need to chase that."
[21:36] mpeel_: I've been holding off requesting the transfer until Mike got back to us about what the WMF's policy on chapters holding domains is.
[21:36] AndrewRT: ok i c
[21:36] AndrewRT: makes sense
[21:37] AndrewRT: KTC - are you not already an admin?
[21:37] KTC: nope
[21:37] AndrewRT: I thought all Board Members were - I'm sure I am
[21:37] • KTC look at that "view source" tab
[21:37] KTC: i'm sure i was absent from a particular meeting
[21:38] AndrewRT: http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop
[21:38] AndrewRT: No it seems you aren't
[21:38] mpeel_: you are now, KTC.
[21:38] mpeel_: sorry about that
[21:38] KTC: no problem 
[21:38] KTC: Wikimania press releases (AT) ?
[21:39] AndrewRT: I'm speaking to Seddon about that
[21:39] Warofdreams: KTC - I think that when the other board members were made admins, you hadn't logged in and thereby created an account
[21:39] AndrewRT: will report back at next meeting if that's ok
[21:39] KTC: that as well
[21:39] KTC: *that was it
[21:39] KTC: WMF Chapter's Grants (MP)
[21:40] mpeel_: I put together a proposals page at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projects/Proposals
[21:40] mpeel_: the idea would be that people come up with proposals and put them on there
[21:40] AndrewRT: only one is mine - Wikipedia Loves Art follow up
[21:40] mpeel_: then we can put one or two forward to the chapter's grant process if we want
[21:40] AndrewRT: suggest we wait until someone puts a proposal in that needs funding
[21:40] mpeel_: we need to encourage people to come up with proposals. any suggestions on how?
[21:41] AndrewRT: how? At AGM definitely
[21:41] KTC: mailing list (hmm), agm
[21:41] mpeel_: the deadline for the funding proposals is 7 april, btw.
[21:41] AndrewRT: also approach specific people who could be persuaded to run specific projects
[21:41] AndrewRT: I don't think we'll get anything by 7th April
[21:42] mpeel_: perhaps not, but it's worth a go.
[21:42] mpeel_: I tried to make the proposals page more general than just for the WMF grant, so hopefully it can be used as an ongoing thing, either for local funding or any external funding we can find.
[21:43] AndrewRT: yeah good idea
[21:43] AndrewRT: we do haev a suggests list already
[21:43] AndrewRT: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projects/Ideas
[21:45] AndrewRT: I like >> Sourcing and digitising public domain works located in the UK (e.g. documents, books, pictures, ...)
[21:46] KTC: Chapter's selection of WMF board members (AT) ?
[21:47] AndrewRT: ok I went back to them about this
[21:47] AndrewRT: you'll recall we wanted to ask them to make the names of candidates public
[21:47] AndrewRT: so we can ask our members for feedback about theis
[21:47] AndrewRT: their reply was essentially no
[21:48] AndrewRT: chapters have already decided that all discussions, nominations and candidates will be confidential
[21:48] AndrewRT: we are ok to approach our membership to ask them about what kind of attributes we should consider
[21:49] AndrewRT: e.g. internal vs external; technical vs marketing etc etc
[21:49] AndrewRT: I sent an email out to the Board with a suggested email to the  list - did everyone get this?
[21:49] Warofdreams: yes
[21:49] AndrewRT: does the Board want to do this?
[21:49] AndrewRT: or is it too late now?
[21:49] Warofdreams: too late?
[21:50] Warofdreams: why would it be too late?
[21:50] AndrewRT: well, we need to make a decision soon on who we are supporting or before we know it they'll have selected someone without us
[21:50] mpeel_: can I suggest we go in camera and discuss this?
[21:50] KTC: soon as in how soon?
[21:50] AndrewRT: sure
[21:50] AndrewRT: haha
[21:51] AndrewRT: good q - no idea
[21:51] mpeel_: "Tango42: I request an invite to this in camera meeting - if it comes up in Berlin, I'd like to know what the hell is going on"
[21:51] mpeel_: I support that proposal.
[21:52] Warofdreams: makes sense to me
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[21:53] Warofdreams: could you invite me to a channel I can access, please?
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[22:29] KTC: hmm, when did i leave this channel
[22:30] AndrewRT: 21:52 
[22:31] KTC: * Loaded log from Tue Mar 10 21:52:26 2009 - i noticed 
[23:06] • KTC waves
[23:07] mpeel_: where are we on the agenda?
[23:07] Warofdreams: up to 4. Newsletter (MC)
[23:07] KTC: Newsletter (MC)
[23:08] Warofdreams: thanks to Andrew for contributing already; this will need some updating in the light of this meeting
[23:09] AndrewRT: yes
[23:09] AndrewRT: deadline for getting out is?
[23:09] Warofdreams: we also need volunteers to write chapter formation process, Oxford Wikimania bid, Wikimania Loves Art, and News Coverage
[23:09] AndrewRT: Next Mondat?
[23:09] Warofdreams: I'm doing news coverage
[23:09] AndrewRT: I'll take WLA
[23:09] Warofdreams: Andrew: yes, next Monday
[23:10] AndrewRT: I've asked for some stats already - should be out by then
[23:10] mpeel_: I can probably do chapter formation
[23:10] Warofdreams: Andrew: great, will do
[23:10] Warofdreams: mpeel: great, thanks
[23:10] Warofdreams: anyone for Oxford Wikimania bid?
[23:10] mpeel_: cfp? or perhaps seddon?
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[23:14] AndrewRT: hi mike
[23:15] mpeel__: hi
[23:15] AndrewRT: anything else on newsletter?
[23:15] mpeel__: sorry; connection dropped out.
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[23:15] KTC: hi mike
[23:16] mpeel__: hi; sorry, connection dropped out.
[23:16] Warofdreams: nothing from me
[23:16] AndrewRT: its getting late and responses are getting longer - what are we going to do?
[23:16] AndrewRT: stay and finish or call it a night?
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[23:17] AndrewRT: do we want to send the AGM notice out now?
[23:17] mpeel: I'd like to raise something under membership, but that won't take long.
[23:17] KTC: let's speed through in summary speed
[23:17] KTC: Treasurer's Report (TH)
[23:17] KTC: cfp, a quick summary ?
[23:17] cfp: bank account open
[23:17] cfp: have stationary
[23:18] AndrewRT: cheques all in now
[23:18] AndrewRT: ?
[23:18] cfp: will send paying in book to mpeel, possibly request a second
[23:18] cfp: balance £286 last time i checked incompatible encoding
[23:18] mpeel_: can you see details of the transactions yet?
[23:18] Warofdreams: will pay my membership in this week
[23:18] cfp: no. will phone them to complain
[23:18] cfp: just double checked.
[23:19] AndrewRT: expenses?
[23:19] mpeel_: ok, thanks
[23:19] cfp: i've requested a statement as well
[23:19] cfp: which i'll send a copy of on to paypal
[23:19] mpeel_: we need to know whether all of the cheques have cleared so that we can approve members.
[23:19] cfp: yeah sure.
[23:19] cfp: i'm assuming they all have as the number's what you'd expect. but you're right we need to be sure.
[23:20] AndrewRT: what the plan for paying expenses?
[23:20] cfp: haven't started the accounts yet. i'll either do them in the next week, or the week after the 20th when i'm next seeing my supervisor
[23:20] cfp: sign all docs and formally approve at agm
[23:21] cfp: pay after.
[23:21] KTC: fine
[23:21] cfp: via bank transfer
[23:21] AndrewRT: huh? what needs signing?
[23:21] cfp: expense claim forms. perhaps not strictly necessary
[23:22] cfp: but a worthwhile motion
[23:22] AndrewRT: we've already agreed delegated authorities for this
[23:22] AndrewRT: not at all
[23:22] AndrewRT: completely inappropriate for an AGM
[23:22] KTC: not as part of agm, but as people will be there physically for agm
[23:22] AndrewRT: expenses are approved by the directors, not members
[23:22] cfp: yes what ktc said
[23:22] cfp: it's just the first time we're all in the same room.
[23:22] AndrewRT: in fact they're approved by the Treasury plus Chair
[23:23] AndrewRT: why cant you write the cheques and post them to KTC?
[23:23] KTC: yeah, i can't sign a form that's not in front of me 
[23:23] mpeel_: anything else here?
[23:24] KTC: i'm happy wait or not.
[23:24] KTC: we can move on otherwise
[23:24] cfp: i could but what would be the point? it's just wasting money on stamps
[23:24] AndrewRT: WarofDreams?
[23:24] mpeel_: methinks we're best off waiting, unless there's an urgent demand for expenses to be repaid to anyone.
[23:24] AndrewRT: I don't want to have annual payment of expenses
[23:25] AndrewRT: lets get used to doing it by post
[23:25] AndrewRT: because we'll have to do that in future
[23:25] KTC: okay
[23:25] mpeel_: there's no guarantee that we'll still be "we" after the agm.
[23:25] KTC: u ok to post it cfp?
[23:25] KTC: um, u got my address?
[23:26] cfp: fine.
[23:26] cfp: it won't just be ktc
[23:26] cfp: my expenses have to be signed by someone other than me (or that was what we agreed)
[23:26] cfp: and the same with ktc
[23:27] KTC: make that, u got *our* address somewhere ?
[23:27] cfp: yeah on the application form
[23:27] cfp: unless anyone's moved
[23:27] AndrewRT: Looking at your expense form, all claims under £100 can be signed off by you alone
[23:27] AndrewRT: unless I'm misreading it
[23:28] AndrewRT: but presumably teh cheques themselves need more than one signatory
[23:28] cfp: all cheques need to be signed by me and andrew
[23:29] AndrewRT: oh yeah forgot KTC wasn't a signatory
[23:29] KTC: whoever
[23:29] AndrewRT: ok this time round, maybe its best to do it at the AGM
[23:29] AndrewRT: but in future we need to have a proper system in place
[23:29] AndrewRT: so we can do it by post
[23:29] cfp: sure.
[23:29] KTC: ok, let's move on
[23:29] • KTC jump the room forward to 9. Wikimania bid
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[23:30] Seddon: Hello ok ill keep this brief
[23:30] Seddon: bids have been finalised as being amsterdam, gdansk, philidelphia, and the best Oxford
[23:30] Seddon: no more will be accepted
[23:30] AndrewRT: )
[23:30] AndrewRT:
[23:31] Seddon: bid page is going well, still needs work
[23:31] Seddon: the happiest piece of news that i wish to report is that BT will be sponsoring the bid
[23:31] AndrewRT: excellent!
[23:31] KTC:
[23:31] Seddon: and i have been informed that Dow Jones will also be sponsoring the bid
[23:32] mpeel_: great
[23:32] Seddon: Negotiations with BT begin tomorrow
[23:32] Seddon: I have to pass on my contact details to Dow Jones so i imagine that will start later in the week
[23:32] Warofdreams: good news 
[23:33] mpeel_: have they agreed to anything specific yet, or does that come with the negotiations?
[23:33] Seddon: that will come with the negotiations
[23:33] KTC: anything else ?
[23:34] Seddon: i think thats all
[23:34] KTC: thanks seddon
[23:34] Seddon: meeting will be same time next week
[23:34] AndrewRT: cheers!
[23:34] • KTC jump everyone back to 6. # Secretary's Report (AT)
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[23:34] AndrewRT: nothing from me in addition to what I've already reported
[23:34] KTC: # Membership Report (MP)
[23:34] mpeel_: One more membership application received
[23:35] mpeel_: can we go into camera for a very short while?
[23:35] AndrewRT: sure
[23:35] AndrewRT: channel?
[23:35] KTC: the first one will be fine
[23:35] AndrewRT: its set to invite only
[23:36] KTC: invite urself
[23:36] KTC: of i'm doing it
[23:37] KTC: Warofdreams?
[23:38] Warofdreams: I'm already in there - you're talking about where we met in camera recently?
[23:38] KTC: no
[23:38] KTC: look at ur invite
[23:38] KTC: * You've invited Warofdreams to #wikimedia-uk-board-private (barjavel.freenode.net)
[23:38] AndrewRT: the first toom
[23:38] AndrewRT: _room_
[23:39] Warofdreams: thanks, but that's the first I've seen of that invite
[23:42] AndrewRT: back in the room
[23:42] AndrewRT: summary for the minutes?
[23:42] AndrewRT: one new applicant approved subject to cheque clearing
[23:43] mpeel_: erm... yes, what AndrewRT just said. 
[23:43] AndrewRT: anything else on membership
[23:43] AndrewRT: ?
[23:43] mpeel_: nothing more with membership.
[23:43] AndrewRT: coudl I raise one thing?
[23:43] KTC: k
[23:43] mpeel_: go for it
[23:43] AndrewRT: I know its late
[23:44] AndrewRT: could we think about what we can do to encourage people to sign up
[23:44] AndrewRT: in time for the AGM
[23:44] AndrewRT: How many members do we have at the moment?
[23:44] mpeel_: 5
[23:44] AndrewRT: 17?
[23:44] KTC: including those that have approved pending cheques
[23:44] mpeel_: 12 applications have been received.
[23:44] mpeel_: and approved by the board, all pending acceptance.
[23:45] AndrewRT: I suggest a good target would be 30
[23:45] mpeel_: there are several options.
[23:45] AndrewRT: given that 40 people signed up on teh "interested in joining" section all those moons ago
[23:45] mpeel_: take membersihp application forms along to wikimeets
[23:45] mpeel_: spam anyone that's UK-based on their en.wp user talk pages
[23:46] mpeel_: nag those in the other irc channel that have yet to submit their applications
[23:46] mpeel_: I'd rather that we had accepted membership applications before doing that, though.
[23:46] mpeel_: i.e. the next step along from where we are now.
[23:46] mpeel_: (except for the third option, of course)
[23:46] AndrewRT: you mean after we've confirmed the cheques have cleared?
[23:47] mpeel_: yup
[23:48] AndrewRT: coudl we set up a page on the wiki
[23:48] AndrewRT: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Drive or something
[23:49] AndrewRT: to coordinate effrots here
[23:49] KTC: ok
[23:49] AndrewRT: get ideas about what to do
[23:49] mpeel_: sure
[23:49] AndrewRT: thanks
[23:49] AndrewRT: ok that was all from me on membership
[23:49] AndrewRT: KTC?
[23:49] KTC: next
[23:50] KTC: let's skip timetable this week
[23:50] KTC: Open Knowledge Conference - WMUK representative (AT)
[23:50] AndrewRT: http://groups.google.com/group/wmf-wikimediauk-l/browse_thread/thread/e143903cc011a8ab#
[23:50] AndrewRT: Conference on 28th March
[23:50] AndrewRT: good if someone could go to represent WMUK
[23:50] mpeel_: AndrewRT: membership drive page now exists.
[23:50] AndrewRT: Tango42 had volunteered
[23:51] AndrewRT: mpeel_ - cheers!
[23:52] AndrewRT: Tango42>I'd rather not go alone, though... I'm not particularly interested in it, I just think we ought to be there
[23:52] AndrewRT: anyone else able & willing to go?
[23:52] AndrewRT: I cant unfortunately - sounds interestign though
[23:52] mpeel_: sorry; am in the lake district that weekend.
[23:52] KTC: let me look at that date again
[23:53] AndrewRT: WarofDreams? cfp?
[23:53] Warofdreams: have to be at a tutorial in Leeds that day
[23:53] KTC: saturday, hmm
[23:53] • KTC check train
[23:54] AndrewRT: I suggest KTC and Tango then
[23:54] AndrewRT: be asked to go & represent WMUK
[23:54] AndrewRT: and report back!
[23:54] AndrewRT: along with anyone else they can corral
[23:54] mpeel_: can either of you be persuaded to give a short talk on WMUK?
[23:56] AndrewRT: KTC can you go?
[23:56] KTC: sec
[23:57] KTC: i'll say yes, provisonally
[23:57] KTC: have to double check
[23:57] KTC: a couple of things
[23:57] KTC: i'll have to claim expense on that travel tho if i were to go
[23:58] KTC: mines £60 train it looks like if i book early enough incompatible encoding
[23:58] AndrewRT: cfp can we afford £90 to send people to this conference?
[23:59] KTC: and don't miss the train...
[23:59] AndrewRT: personally I'd think it's probably worthwhile
[23:59] mpeel_: we need to do some fundraising...
[23:59] KTC: i don't think we have that much money at the moment, it's a question of when does people want the expense back
[23:59] AndrewRT: I'm assured there are some big cheques, just waiting to be written
[00:00] mpeel_: you are?
[00:00] mpeel_: what are the benefits to WMUK being represented at the conference? Do they justify £90?
[00:00] AndrewRT: The Open Knowledge Conference (OKCon) is back for its fourth installment
[00:00] AndrewRT: bringing together individuals and groups from across the open knowledge
[00:00] AndrewRT: spectrum for a day of talks, discussions and workshops.
[00:00] AndrewRT: benefits are networking - see what other people are doing
[00:01] AndrewRT: work out how we can collaborate
[00:01] KTC: um, on that cost issue
[00:01] AndrewRT: yep?
[00:01] KTC: "An attendance fee of £15 is charged to cover costs. However, concessions are available if the fee is problematic - just get in touch." incompatible encoding
[00:01] AndrewRT: ok, so now its £120
[00:01] AndrewRT: or to put it another way, 10 members
[00:02] mpeel_: we should ask for a concession, see what discount they can give...
[00:02] AndrewRT: what do people think? Good use of our money?
[00:02] AndrewRT: cfp?
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[00:04] cfp: sorry was afk
[00:05] cfp: seems like quite a bit of money
[00:05] cfp: i don't know enough about it
[00:05] Warofdreams: that sounds far too much - seems to me this is a "nice to have" rather than an essential, and £120 is a lot of money for us at the moment
[00:06] KTC: £45 ? incompatible encoding
[00:06] KTC: for tango say ?
[00:06] AndrewRT: he wasn't keen on going on his own
[00:06] KTC: ok. hmm
[00:06] AndrewRT: thinking about it, I agree with cfp, Warofdreams - too much to be spending at the moment
[00:06] KTC: shall we say no for this year, but note it for next year ?
[00:06] cfp: it doesn't sound like it'd be that geared towards us. unless we were actually presenting
[00:07] cfp: isn't it more for businesses?
[00:07] AndrewRT: yeah, maybe next year!
[00:07] AndrewRT: is it? oh, even mroe reason to say no then
[00:07] KTC: right, one last thing before i'll call it a close
[00:07] cfp: i could go if tango was desperate for company
[00:08] KTC: seeing the time
[00:08] cfp: it's only £15 return or something for me. incompatible encoding
[00:08] cfp: not desperate though (or even remotely keen)
[00:08] KTC: that's £75 incompatible encoding
[00:08] AndrewRT: he wanted his travel paying as well
[00:08] cfp: ok. i'm certainly happy to give it a miss.
[00:09] AndrewRT: yes KTC?
[00:09] KTC: AGM - notice, yes or no to sending it now ?
[00:09] cfp: doesn't it have to give the location?
[00:10] AndrewRT: We'll have to say Manchester University - details to be sent closer to the time
[00:10] AndrewRT: AGM needs 28 days notice
[00:10] AndrewRT: Room booking needs 28 days
[00:10] KTC: i'm for giving a longer notice
[00:11] KTC: so i say send it noting exact location TBC
[00:11] AndrewRT: _at least_ I mean
[00:11] Warofdreams: we're not going to have any more details before the deadline for sending notice, so let's send it now
[00:11] mpeel_: erm... who does it get sent to?
[00:11] AndrewRT: all members
[00:11] KTC: oh
[00:11] AndrewRT: all directors
[00:11] mpeel_: all 5 of us?
[00:11] KTC: good point
[00:11] AndrewRT: that's the one
[00:11] AndrewRT: !
[00:11] AndrewRT: I was planning to send it to teh list and wiki also
[00:12] AndrewRT: and send it to members as they are approved
[00:12] KTC: we can wait till next week when we know the payments for members have cleared
[00:12] mpeel_: I think we can safely put this off by a week, until we have more members.
[00:12] KTC: that's fine by me
[00:12] AndrewRT: includeed in the notice is an invitation for candidates
[00:12] mpeel_: btw, should I approve members as soon as we have that confirmation, or should I bring the decision back to this meeting first?
[00:13] mpeel_: if the former, then we could start sending around the notice now, and I could attach a copy with my email about the acceptance of their membership applications...
[00:13] AndrewRT: mpeel_ - I understood we were approving subject to cleared cheques
[00:13] KTC: so former
[00:13] KTC: i'm happy either way
[00:13] mpeel_: that was my understanding; I just wanted to confirm that.
[00:13] AndrewRT: hence no need for an additional board decision once the cheques are confirmed
[00:13] KTC: let's vote and get this over with
[00:13] KTC: and sleep
[00:13] KTC: notice this week or next ?
[00:13] AndrewRT: thsi
[00:14] KTC: AndrewRT, cfp , mpeel_, Warofdreams
[00:14] Warofdreams: let's send it now
[00:14] KTC: mpeel_, cfp?
[00:15] mpeel_: I'd like to discuss some elements of the notice, preferably when we're all more awake.
[00:15] AndrewRT: ok, next week then?
[00:15] KTC: ok
[00:15] KTC: it won't kill us
[00:15] KTC: next week it is then
[00:15] AndrewRT: mpeel_ - do you want to raise on the wiki or mailing list or privately?
[00:15] AndrewRT: in teh meantime?
[00:15] mpeel_: examples: what happens if resolution 3 is rejected? should we have a friends scheme thing?
[00:16] mpeel_: ok, will try to raise on-wiki.
[00:16] AndrewRT: thanks
[00:16] KTC: can u note it in an email as well
[00:16] mpeel_: sure
[00:16] KTC: right, let's call it a day / night
[00:16] KTC: next meeting next monday
[00:16] KTC: thanks everyone for their patience
[00:16] cfp: sorry for being not particularly active
[00:16] AndrewRT: cheers!

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[21:28] Tango42: I don't intend to claim for travel to the AGM, regardless of the election result
[21:28] KTC: *from* the agm ?
[21:30] Tango42: to and from
[21:30] KTC: well, look likes you don't have much choice now 
[21:31] Tango42:
[21:31] AndrewRT: Hope thats ok Tango42
[21:31] Tango42: yeah
[21:31] Tango42: Although, the new board could easily overrule you and claim!
[21:31] AndrewRT: yeah that's true!
[21:33] cormaggio: ok, off now - will ring FMH tomorrow and report back on-list
[21:34] cormaggio left the chat room.
[21:41] mpeel_: anyone have an idea for a project that they'd like to get started?
[21:43] Tango42: I have ideas for projects I'd like other people to get started, does that count?
[21:43] mpeel_: depends on whether you can find someone to head them up. 
[21:43] KTC:
[21:43] AndrewRT: What are your ideas Tango42?
[21:43] Tango42: Going into schools was my main one
[21:43] mpeel_: it's worth starting a proposal on them anyway, and seeing if other people are interested in joining in.
[21:44] AndrewRT: Would you mind writing something up at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projects/Proposals?
[21:45] Tango42: Um... yeah, I guess I can - prod me in a few days if I haven't done it
[21:45] AndrewRT: cheers!
[21:47] AndrewRT: I've started it for you already  http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projects/Proposals#Schools_project
[21:47] Tango42: so kind
[21:49] mpeel_: btw, to prove that I was doing something this evening rather than just being tardy: http://www.mikepeel.net/temp/saturn.jpg
[21:50] AndrewRT: :0
[21:50] Seddon: that is actually quite cool
[21:50] KTC: u could have drew that in photoshop 
[21:51] • Seddon pokes KTC with a stick
[21:51] mpeel_: that's 100% genuine extraterrestrial photons. 
[21:51] Tango42: I request an invite to this in camera meeting - if it comes up in Berlin, I'd like to know what the hell is going on
[21:51] AndrewRT: we are currently going in camera - cue shouts of......
[21:51] AndrewRT: Tango42?
[21:52] Tango42: Well, I'm hoping to be invited to join the cabal, so...
[21:53] Seddon: mpeel_: Is that two moons i can see?
[21:53] mpeel_: Seddon: where?
[21:54] Seddon: go downwards from the middle of the right half of the ring system
[21:54] Seddon: faint red dot
[21:54] Seddon: could just be a star
[21:55] mpeel_: not sure
[21:55] mpeel_: there were several moons visible, but they didn't photograph well
[21:56] Seddon: shame
[21:56] Tango42: Judging by the delay, it seems the cabal are having a length debate on my initiation, so I guess this warrants it:
[21:56] Tango42: CABAL! CABAL! CABAL!
[21:56] Warofdreams: or maybe it's just taking us that long to all end up in the same place
[21:56] Tango42: either that, or they are an incompant cabal that can't get IRC to do top secret meetings properly
[21:57] KTC: um, more a delay cause i can't remember how to remove auto-kick-ban from irc channel
[21:57] Tango42: yeah, I thought it might be the 2nd option...
[21:57] AndrewRT: we managed to ban Mickey from the private meeting
[21:57] KTC: so an incomptent cabel chair 
[21:57] AndrewRT: if u must know!
[21:57] Tango42: isn't it set to invite only? So just invite him...
[21:58] Tango42: Good job this cabal doesn't have enough money for black helicopters... you would crash them inside of a day!
[21:59] mpeel_: don't worry: we'd have problems figuring out how to turn them on, so we could never crash them. 
[21:59] Tango42: Such a relief!
[21:59] KTC: Tango42, i registered and set it so that only the board member can go in, everyone else get auto-kick/ban
[21:59] Tango42: Oh, Seddon: That faint red dot - are you sure it isn't a dead pixel?
[21:59] KTC: Warofdreams isn't identified
[21:59] Tango42: invite only would work better
[22:00] KTC: and i can't remember how to unset the setting / *is looking*
[22:00] Tango42: pick a new channel
[22:00] KTC: we have
[22:00] KTC: we're talking about whether to let you into our super sercet cabel 
[22:01] Tango42: too late - AndrewRT made a unilateral decision!
[22:12] Warofdreams: hope you're all making your own entertainment - we'll be back in a bit, but discussions are continuing
[22:12] KTC: i am, looking at irc restricted channel settings 
[22:14] AndrewRT: I'm sure you realise I'd never do such a thing!
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[22:18] Seddon: tick
[22:18] Seddon: tock
[22:18] Seddon: tick
[22:18] Seddon: tock
[22:18] Seddon: tick
[22:18] Seddon: tock
[22:18] Seddon: tick
[22:18] mpeel_: patience, Seddon
[22:19] • Tango42 has images of robotic aliens in French court dress breaking into the meeting
[22:24] J_Milburn left the chat room. ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]")
[22:35] • KTC have un-restricted cabal channel and +mlock'ed invite it instead 
[22:35] • Seddon taps his watch
[22:36] • KTC is only on first of a number of candidates...
[22:37] KTC: *we are only on...
[22:38] Tango42: We had some more general discussion first, though, which I think was quite productive
[22:43] Seddon: this is taking forever 
[22:43] KTC: i know...
[22:44] Tango42: yeah, it's a big decision, though
[23:04] mpeel_: coming to a finish...
[23:04] mpeel_: apologies to all for the wait.
[23:06] Seddon: nearly an hour 
[23:11] Warofdreams: Seddon: would you like to write a paragraph or two on the Oxford Wikimania bid for the newsletter?
[23:11] Seddon: ill try and actually do it this time 
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[23:14] You rejoined the room.
[23:15] Tango42: We're into lots-of-mikes territory again!
[23:16] mpeel__: there's only three of me atm... 
[23:16] Tango42: Why do you people all have such difficulty maintaining an internet connection?
[23:16] AndrewRT: I'm fine!
[23:16] mpeel_ left the chat room. (Nick collision from services.)
[23:16] Warofdreams: me too!
[23:17] Tango42: Down to two...
[23:17] mpeel_: sorry; am connected with two computers, so that i don't miss anything.
[23:17] mpeel_: (one computer's always on)
[23:18] Seddon: Guys if its ok ill cover what i have for wikimania in here?
[23:18] Tango42: I'm connected with one computer so I don't miss anything... works for me!
[23:18] KTC: can i jump to u after this bit
[23:18] • mpeel_ blames wireless internet connections - they're always intermittent
[23:18] KTC: and then u can be off if u need/want
[23:18] Seddon: KTC ok cool
[23:19] Seddon: i dont mind
[23:19] Seddon: ill be up till late
[23:19] Seddon: well youd know if one cheque bounced cause youd be charged
[23:20] KTC: um, no?
[23:20] KTC: well, depending on bank
[23:20] mpeel_: we wouldn't; the person who wrote the cheque would.
[23:20] mpeel_: ... depending on why it bounced.
[23:20] Seddon: mpeel_ it often goes both ways
[23:20] Tango42: My cheque to you has gone out of my account
[23:20] Tango42: 05 Mar 09 PAYMENT MADE BY CHEQUE WITH SERIAL NO 1070  6.00
[23:20] mpeel_: Seddon: weird
[23:21] Tango42: I've never known anyone get charged for paying in a rubber cheque...
[23:21] Seddon: mpeel_ its often smaller than the charge the person who sent it gets but its typically about £10
[23:21] Tango42: that seems rather harsh, seeing as the receiver has no way of knowing the cheque will bounce
[23:22] mpeel_: especially harsh considering we're a charity
[23:22] mpeel_: I'm not sure that bank fees count as charitable expenses.
[23:23] Tango42: they count as admin, that's allowed
[23:23] Tango42: as long as it is justifiable
[23:23] Tango42: and it's hard not to justify paying in membership cheques
[23:28] Tango42: You must be misreading it... it takes 2 people to sign the cheques
[23:28] AndrewRT: yes you're right - the form just needs one
[23:28] Tango42: I thought it was that over £100 needed the whole board's approval
[23:29] Tango42: and less than £100 needs 2 people
[23:29] Tango42: (other than the one making the claim)
[23:29] Tango42: what happens if you want to claim exactly £100, I don't know!
[23:30] cfp: tango's nearly right. the form needs 2 for under 100, 3 for over
[23:30] Tango42: Can I suggest that all people standing for the board (and, ideally, all current board members) plan to be at the AGM several hours after it finishes? A long initial board meeting would be useful to get everything sorted out.
[23:30] cfp: cheques always need 2
[23:31] AndrewRT: that's already on the agenda 
[23:31] mpeel_: that's a good plan, if we have the room for a decent amount of time afterwards.
[23:31] AndrewRT: hopefully elect officers
[23:31] Tango42: I have a pretty long board meeting agenda in my head if I'm elected!
[23:31] Tango42: I might write it down at some point...
[23:31] KTC: lol
[23:31] mpeel_: erm... perhaps you should keep that quiet until after the elections?
[23:32] • KTC will be happy to leave u to it 
[23:32] Tango42:
[23:32] AndrewRT: really????
[23:32] Tango42: Are the candidates likely to be a significant portion of the electorate?
[23:32] Tango42: really what?
[23:32] AndrewRT: does it need to be then?
[23:32] Tango42: Well, everyone will be in the same place and the same time
[23:32] AndrewRT: Tango42>I have a pretty long board meeting agenda in my head if I'm elected!
[23:32] Tango42: that doesn't happen often
[23:33] Tango42: I think things would go quicker in person than on IRC
[23:33] AndrewRT: yes that's true
[23:33] Tango42: If people would rather go home and have several really long IRC board meetings, that is an option, but personally I'd rather get it out of the way
[23:34] Tango42: Having the new board spending a long time locked in a room together helps with bonding, too!
[23:34] AndrewRT: well, if u put it like that....
[23:34] KTC: lol
[23:35] KTC: i'll make sure to lock you guy in from the outside 
[23:35] Tango42: Just make sure there is a chimney for us to send the white smoke up
[23:36] Tango42: CABAL! CABAL! CABAL!
[23:36] Tango42: (Twice in one night...)
[23:36] mpeel_: more admin than cabal, I'm afraid.
[23:36] Tango42: how are we to know what you're really discussing?
[23:37] AndrewRT: you dont - thats the best bit 
[23:37] cfp: what are you going to do when you're on the board tango
[23:37] Tango42: I haven't decided.
[23:37] cfp: will you be shouting cabal at yourself?
[23:37] Tango42: I have given the matter some though
[23:37] Tango42: Incidentally, do you know something I don't? "When"?
[23:38] cfp: well unless you annoy a lot of people...
[23:38] KTC: i can shout cabal instead! 
[23:38] Tango42: CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL!...
[23:38] Tango42: ...CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL!...
[23:38] Tango42: ...CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL!...
[23:38] Tango42: ...CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL! CABAL!
[23:38] Tango42: Is that annoying enouhg?
[23:38] Majorly: mind not doing that plz
[23:38] Seddon was promoted to operator by ChanServ.
[23:38] Tango42 was kicked from the chat room by Seddon. (Seddon)
[23:38] Seddon: haha
[23:39] Seddon: thatll teach him
[23:39] Majorly: uber fail
[23:39] Seddon was demoted from operator by Seddon.
[23:39] Tango42 joined the chat room.
[23:39] Tango42: op abuse!
[23:39] Seddon: learnt your lesson 
[23:39] Tango42: A board member told me to be annoying
[23:39] Tango42: I was doing as I was told
[23:39] Seddon: cause you always do that dont you tango 
[23:39] Tango42: When have I ever been disobedient?
[23:41] Seddon: im sure you have been once in your life 
[23:42] Tango42: At least we know they aren't having secret discussions without us knowing about it... they would never get to the channel without some public statements requesting help from eachother
[23:42] Tango42: Slander!
[23:42] • KTC slap Tango42
[23:42] KTC: i can do private message if i want to 
[23:42] Tango42: Assault!
[23:43] Tango42: Slander and assault within a minute...
[23:43] Tango42: what a criminal chapter this is...
[23:43] KTC: and you're standing / stood for its board
[23:43] KTC: what does that say about u ? 
[23:46] KTC: who haven't apply to join Wikimedia UK yet? can you please do that! 
[23:47] Reedy: I should pay some monies i suspect
[23:47] AndrewRT: I dont believe it!
[23:47] Tango42: That I'm such a good person I never even conceived of the possibility that I could be joining a chapter full of criminals
[23:47] AndrewRT: No application form from Tango!!
[23:47] AndrewRT: yes please Reedy!
[23:47] Tango42: What? I applied ages ago...
[23:48] AndrewRT: sorry!
[23:48] mpeel_: don't worry Tango42, AndrewRT's memory is going
[23:48] Reedy: Its funny, i never get any of the UK spam due to not being categorised
[23:48] AndrewRT: misunderstood
[23:48] Tango42: I got an email saying I'd been approved and everything
[23:48] mpeel_: Seddon, on the other hand...
[23:48] Tango42: were you asleep during that particular cabal meeting?
[23:48] Seddon: mpeel_ its not the 13th yet 
[23:49] Tango42: Yeah, Seddon was waiting until the 13th
[23:49] Tango42: he notified us of that
[23:49] KTC: what's so special about friday the 13th?
[23:49] AndrewRT: huh? what's happening on 13th?
[23:49] Reedy: Superstition
[23:49] Tango42: We had this discussion already...
[23:49] Tango42: all your memories are going...
[23:49] Reedy: I'll get a copy printed off now and go find my cheque book
[23:49] KTC: i wasn't here 
[23:49] AndrewRT: wahay!
[23:50] Tango42: And you didn't read the logs when you got back?
[23:50] Reedy: "Please complete the form legibly in print or block capitals." - PAH
[23:50] Tango42: A chair should always be aware of everything that is happening in the organisation under their stewardship
[23:51] Tango42: wait!
[23:51] Tango42: What have I volunteered to do?
[23:51] mpeel_: it helps if I can read people's names and other info...
[23:51] mpeel_: go to the OKCon on behalf of WMUK, methinks.
[23:51] Tango42: oh, that conference thing, yeah
[23:51] Seddon: it might be worth posting to the foundation mailing list
[23:51] mpeel_: you sent an email about it and everything
[23:52] AndrewRT: >http://groups.google.com/group/wmf-wikimediauk-l/browse_thread/thread/e143903cc011a8ab#
[23:52] Seddon: about membership for WMUK
[23:52] Tango42: I'd rather not go alone, though... I'm not particularly interested in it, I just think we ought to be there
[23:52] Seddon: id would really love to go but i will only just be getting back from scotland
[23:52] AndrewRT: Anyone else willing & able to go?
[23:53] Tango42: we have loads of london people
[23:53] Tango42: get some of them to go
[23:53] Tango42: it's the day after my birthday, so I would really rather be in bed nursing a hangover...
[23:55] AndrewRT: Tango42? Fancy giving a talk on WMUK?
[23:55] Tango42: If you really can't find anyone else to go, then I guess I might as well go the whole way and present something...
[23:55] AndrewRT:
[23:58] • Reedy scrawls out an application form
[23:58] Tango42: Oh, yes - I would be claiming travel
[23:58] Tango42: £30 or so, probably
[00:02] mpeel_: What do people here think? Is having WMUK represented at OKCon a good use of money?
[00:04] KTC: £45 for 1, £120 for 2 people volunteered incompatible encoding
[00:07] Reedy: some lucky person will be recieving a lovely hand scrawled envalope, cheque and application from me in a couple of days 
[00:07] AndrewRT:
[00:07] mpeel_: am looking forward to it, reedy, thanks. 
[00:07] AndrewRT: that'll be mike then
[00:07] Reedy: haha
[00:08] Tango42: i'm not remotely keen, I'm just a generous volunteer!
[00:09] AndrewRT: and we're very grateful for that Tango42! 
[00:16] Tango42: So what was the decision re. the conference? Did I get out of it?
[00:16] mpeel_: I think you got out of it
[00:16] KTC: yes
[00:16] Tango42:
[00:17] KTC: but thanks for volunteering
[00:17] mpeel_: ... until next year
[00:17] Tango42: I'll be more careful about volunteering for things in future!