Talk:Conflicts of interest policy/2012 redraft

fine Victuallers (talk) 13:45, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

"Expenses will only be reimbursed if they ... are on the proper form ..." - It looks like I won't be getting any expenses then, because there's no way I'm using that form. Otherwise it all looks good to me. --RexxS (talk) 23:50, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

We have a number of forms that could be considered 'proper', and there may be future variants that are made available. As such, I've tweaked the wording to say "have been properly filed", which makes things a bit more flexible whilst following due process. Hope that helps. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:18, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Balancing opportunities between trustees and volunteers

One topic that is becoming increasingly frequent is opportunities for delivering paid training and contracting related to Wikipedia. Given that these opportunities often come through Wikimedia UK work or contacts, trustees will naturally end up in the front line for responding to these opportunities. We need to figure out a way of balancing these opportunities evenly between non-trustee and trustee volunteers, to make sure that there isn't a significant trustee benefit arising here, whilst not excluding trustees from having an equal opportunity for responding to these opportunities.

This may be more a case of process than policy, but I think that a high-level description of our approach would fit into this policy well. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:15, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

One way we are making sure that this is properly done is through the Training the Trainers programme. We are moving to the point where anyone doing training on our behalf has to have done the training on how to train. I foresee a world where there will be the following categories of training activity

• Where volunteers deliver the training and claim out of pocket expenses if needed.

• Where organisations offer us a fee for the training but volunteers decline to accept any payment but as above take out of pocket expenses if needed.

• Where organisations offer us a fee and volunteers decided to take a part of that payment as a fee for the training. We will have to work out what a fair rate would be.

Of course if any of the trainers are also trustees this has to be declared and handled very carefully. Jon Davies (WMUK) (talk) 11:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

• I note that this is a bit theoretical. In 2012 so far, I don't know of any paid training or contracting opportunities that have been externally requested through Wikimedia UK work or contacts that trustees or anyone else could have actually bid for in an open process. In 2011 I was offered a small honorarium for an academic sector event that I declined rather than having to go through the fuss of declaring. I would rather that policy reflect the needs of non-hypothetical situations. The board has been exceedingly cautious in terms of open declarations and open bidding, far more open than almost any other charity would be prepared to offer and far in excess of any Charity Commission guidance. In practice we have the reverse problem, trustees are actually put off from taking payment of any kind or thinking of participating in an open bid, even when it is obvious that they have the best experience and skills to offer and the activity (such as speaking or helping with a workshop) does not represent any obvious or tangible conflict of interest. In practice there are two major challenges in attracting future trustees (1) our history of past directors and trustees shows that anyone sitting on the WMUK Board is likely to be out of pocket by several hundred pounds per year, mainly due to avoiding the administrative hassle of submitting minor expenses, (2) anyone with an obvious related professional interest, a related political or personal hobby, or even a "less than dull" personal life is at risk of being heavily and repeatedly criticised, scrutinized, and obsessively investigated. With this background we are likely to attract a less diverse board and being a trustee will become only suitable for the independently rich and the retired. --Fæ (talk) 13:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Restrictive practices

"where anyone doing training on our behalf has to have done the training on how to train" - What? So I'm a qualified teacher and I cannot now talk about Wikipedia in a lesson without sitting through someones powerpoint and getting WMUK to pay for me to be bored? This is crazy. Victuallers (talk) 13:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Overlap with Finance Policy

Parts of this draft - specifically the expenses section - overlap with our Finance Policy... for example, "Travel by train or aeroplane will be reimbursed for standard class only unless First Class is cheaper." conflicts with "First class fares may be reimbursed where the cost is less than standard class plus the reasonable benefits of first class [e.g. internet access and catering]". Some clarity on this would be appreciated! Richard Symonds (WMUK) (talk) 11:22, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Better idea is not to restate text particularly where it is obvious. For example restating the rules on the use of bicycles and that we do not authorise the use of personal jets doesnt need to be re-said here. It just creates a maintenance problem. Victuallers (talk) 13:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

What does this mean?

"No board member may:"..... "sell to" .... "the chapter" ... "unless" "A majority of trustees do not receive a benefit." Victuallers (talk) 13:49, 10 August 2012 (UTC)