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== Comments from Mike Peel ==
I have to say, I'm quite impressed by this - I think this is a great start towards setting out our 5-year goals. Well done to those that have put this together!

Here's a few comments from me to get us started on discussing this:
* 24 hours is an extremely long service outage. If that happens say once per year, that means that the service has 99.7% uptime - 99.9% is much more typical. Can I suggest aiming for something more like 2 hours?
* "Ensure that we have at least two other non-English language projects" - should 'projects' here be 'activities'? (to avoid confusion with the Wikimedia projects, such as the different language Wikipedias)
* I think the bullet point "Content improvement could do with one/two lines about Education/GLAM, e.g." under content improvement shouldn't be there?
* I think there's still some confusion about what is a 'goal' vs what metrics measure how well we've achieved that goal. E.g. the bullet points under 'Develop volunteer base' are all metrics, while those under 'Empower volunteers' are all goals. Perhaps the metrics can be turned into goals, and the metrics moved off into a target document?

Thanks. [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] ([[User talk:Mike Peel|talk]]) 21:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

::Thanks for your comments Mike. I'm really pleased you like this. I'll have a look at your comments in more detail later but to respond quickly to the 24hr outage question - the simple answer is I plucked that number out of the air. I wasn't sure what was reasonable and knew that someone would turn that into a reasonable figure :) Also, projects vs activities = sensible comment and that can definitely be updated to avoid any confusion. Thank you. [[User:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|Stevie Benton (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Stevie Benton (WMUK)|talk]]) 07:42, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

==Comments from Chris K==
*On "Empowering Volunteers/Developing volunteer base": I would phrase things differently here. I see our goals as twofold;
*# Have a thriving volunteer base actively engaged with Wikimedia UK activities
*#:and if I had to say "how", I would then say something about our values and the kind of management/leadership *this requires, about finding innovative solutions to our unique challenges, and also the need to give volunteers both the autonomy and the support they need to make the greatest possible contribution
*# Increase the number of people editing and using Wikimedia resources in the UK
*#: this actually requires completely different tools; it would be a "mass" activity rather than a "direct" activity

*"Improving Content": I would phrase this differently, and more ambitiously! My formulation would be something like;
*:"We will make working with the Wikimedia movement as obvious a part of the work of a British cultural  as having a website, and understanding and contributing to Wikimedia projects as vital a part of the educational curriculum as library research or word-processor use."
*:As it happens I think this is phrased too much in terms of "more Wikimedians in Residence, more events". We needn't assume that what we are doing currently is what we are going to be doing in five years' time.

*"Technical development": I do not actually see this as a goal. I think technical development will be a requirement to do some of the other things we need to do but it is not an end in itself.

Many thanks, and I look forward to the discussion about this! [[User:The Land|The Land]] ([[User talk:The Land|talk]]) 17:14, 6 June 2013 (UTC)