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Talk:Rzepa2011a

2011-09-07T13:34:26Z

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= Wiki(pedia) and the Principles of Science =

A presentation by Professor '''Henry S. Rzepa, Department of Chemistry, Imperial College London,''' September 8th, 2011, ''The Royal Society,'' London<ref name=podcast">Henry Rzepa. URL of talk https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rzepa, URL of Podcast http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/podcasts/index.rss URL of Wikipedia society talk http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rzepa2011</ref>
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== Quoting Samuel Butler, 1863: ==

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* Wikipedia encapsulates this (Open) vision perfectly!

= How does a (molecular) Scientist adopt this vision? <ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>=

== Through Teaching activities ==

[[image:RS1.jpg|right|border|300px|A teaching podcast]]* I teach organic chemistry and molecular modelling at Imperial College London.
* All my teaching (and a fair few research) lectures are expressed as (Open) [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/podcasts/index.rss Podcasts], which take the form of
** An audio recording of a 50 minute presentation
** the timeline of which is annotated with 25-40 slides
** accompanying the timeline are hyperlinks to online information:
*** which can be a relevant Wikipedia page, where the students find context
*** 3D models, where the students find interactivity
*** DOI citations,<ref name="paskin">N. Paskin, ''Data Science J.'', '''2005''', ''44'', 12-20. {{DOI|10.2481/dsj.4.12}}</ref> where the students find the original articles: {{DOI|10.1098/rspa.1954.0101}}
*** Each lecture can have about 80 such links, of which ~30 may be to Wikipedia

=== The issue of provenance and trust ===

[[File:Aspirin.svg|thumb|right]]* As a teacher, do I feel confident sending my students to a Wikipedia link?
** I tell them the '''golden rubric''': '''cite your sources'''
** which many (but not all) Wikipedia articles do
** the students are encouraged to explore these citations
* BUT: these sources may not be open
** One needs a journal subscription to access them!
** The case for '''Open Journals'''

=== Giving students practical Wikipedia-like experience ===

* A number of our laboratory courses are presented in Wiki(pedia) form
** which they can edit themselves (courseware = read many/write many!)
* And the students treat the Wiki as an '''electronic laboratory notebook'''
** Which they edit into their final report on each experiment.
*** Including full citations in the manner of a Wikipedia article
**** Example: http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod_1:_Tom_Campling

== Through Research Activities ==

[[image:337px-Lapis_lazuli_block.jpg|right|100px]]
* My research involvement with Wikipedia is '''bi-directional''' (contributor/consumer)
** I edit Wikipedia pages on molecular themes (~15)
** by adding provenance and citations in support of the article
*** Which may take the form of original journal articles
*** Or, increasingly of posts to blogs ([http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2011/09/03/science-online-we-can-make-blogs-first-class-citizens-in-scholarly-publishing/ First class citizens-in-scholarly-publishing])
**** The Wikipedia article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapis_lazuli Lapis Lazuli] contained no explanation at the molecular level for the '''vivid blue colour'''. I have the (trusted) expertise to provide such, and did so on [http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/?p=3604 my blog], which the Wikipedia article now points to.
* As a consumer, Wikipedia is a frequent first port of call for relevant citations (convention bibliographic searches may be overwhelming).

== How can one increase (molecular) trust and provenance in Wikipedia? ==
[[image:drugbox.jpg|right|120px]]
# The [[wikipedia:Template:Chembox|ChemBox]], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox elementElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates allow molecular information to be '''structured''' within a Wikpedia page.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox element for carbon]
# Structured information allows external trusted agencies to then curate the content
## [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider], part of the Royal Society of Chemistry outreach activities
## [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon], a provider of cheminformatics toolkits to the chemical industries.
## [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~8000 molecules, operated by the '''Chemical Abstracts organisation''', one curator the World's chemical information, in conjunction with the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Wikipedia Chemical Project]
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace. This has the effect of maintaining a trusted core of molecular information, and where changes/additions to this information are carefully monitored by these trusted agencies.

== The Scientific future of Wikipedia ==
*[[File:Meandrina meandrites (Maze Coral).jpg|thumb|Meandrina meandrites (Maze Coral)]] This talk contains several examples of ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transclusion transcluding]'' items in Wikipedia, whereby [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page content (of ~10 million files)] from [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons Wikimedia Commons] can be absorbed into a different document. Whenever the Wikicommons document is updated, so to is the local document. This of course raises interesting issues about exactly who has authored any resulting document, not to mention pedagogic implications.
* In the spirit of the '''''Inter'''''Net, one can also set up an '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_links InterWiki]''', which means local (''e.g.'' Scientific) Wiki's can incorporate Wikipedia documents.

=== [http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki Semantic Wiki] ===

This is an extension to the conventional concept, whereby data is stored with associated semantic meanings, which allows extraordinarily rich queries to be constructed and logical semantic (holistic) connections to be discovered.<ref>H. S. Rzepa, "Achieving a Holistic Web in the chemistry curriculum", ''Ann. Rep. Comp. Chem.'', '''2007''', ''3'', 99-133. {{DOI|10.1016/S1574-1400(07)03007-1}}</ref> Entire documents can be created (and automatically updated) by logical transclusion. It is (IMHO) the most powerful implementation yet of the '''Semantic Web'''.

=== Robert Hooke ===

I venture to suggest that Robert Hooke<ref name="Hooke">H. Oldenburg, ''Phil. Trans., '''1665-1666''', 1. {{DOI|10.1098/rstl.1665.0001}}</ref> (and Samuel Butler) would have approved of the evolution of the [http://rstl.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/1/1-22.toc Scientific Journal] towards a Semantic Wikipedia!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-14T10:43:35Z

Rzepa: /* Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts<ref name=podcast">Henry Rzepa, Podcast of talk. URL: [http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/podcasts/index.rss Feed] or direct liink [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/podcasts/wikipedia.m4a to .m4a file]</ref> about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [[London Wikipedia Academy]] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
[[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by {{w|Friedrich Konrad Beilstein}}.
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the [[wikipedia:Resource_Description_Framework|information triple]]: '''Molecule|Property|Citation'''
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,303,485 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
[[File:Rzepa CIT1.jpg|right|200px]]
# 1860: Our department was one of the first to use 3D models of molecules in teaching
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [[wikipedia:Meme|Meme (self-replicating idea)]].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, {{w|History_of_Wikipedia|Wikipedia was launched}}.
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]]
# [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry| Chemistry WikiProject]] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals|Chemicals WikiProject]] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements|Elements WikiProject]] (chemical elements).
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology|Pharmacology WikiProject]] (mainly drugs),
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology|Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject]] (much biochemistry)
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology|Geology WikiProject]] (which oversees minerals)
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics|Physics WikiProject]] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]
== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]
# The [[wikipedia:Template:Chembox|ChemBox]], the [[wikipedia:Template:Infobox element|ElementBox]], [[wikipedia:Template:Drugbox|DrugBox]] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [[wikipedia:Aspirin|drugbox for Aspirin]]
## Example of a [[wikipedia:Ethanol|chembox for ethanol]]
## Example of a [[wikipedia:carbon|Infobox element for carbon]]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [[wikipedia:User:CheMoBot|CheMoBot]] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.
== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!
== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
# [[wikipedia:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links |Jmol]]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-14T10:40:30Z

Rzepa: /* Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts<ref name=podcast">Henry Rzepa, Podcast of talk. URL: [http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/podcasts/index.rss Feed]</ref> about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [[London Wikipedia Academy]] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
[[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by {{w|Friedrich Konrad Beilstein}}.
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the [[wikipedia:Resource_Description_Framework|information triple]]: '''Molecule|Property|Citation'''
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,303,485 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
[[File:Rzepa CIT1.jpg|right|200px]]
# 1860: Our department was one of the first to use 3D models of molecules in teaching
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [[wikipedia:Meme|Meme (self-replicating idea)]].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, {{w|History_of_Wikipedia|Wikipedia was launched}}.
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]]
# [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry| Chemistry WikiProject]] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals|Chemicals WikiProject]] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements|Elements WikiProject]] (chemical elements).
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology|Pharmacology WikiProject]] (mainly drugs),
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology|Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject]] (much biochemistry)
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology|Geology WikiProject]] (which oversees minerals)
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics|Physics WikiProject]] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]
== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]
# The [[wikipedia:Template:Chembox|ChemBox]], the [[wikipedia:Template:Infobox element|ElementBox]], [[wikipedia:Template:Drugbox|DrugBox]] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [[wikipedia:Aspirin|drugbox for Aspirin]]
## Example of a [[wikipedia:Ethanol|chembox for ethanol]]
## Example of a [[wikipedia:carbon|Infobox element for carbon]]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [[wikipedia:User:CheMoBot|CheMoBot]] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.
== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!
== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
# [[wikipedia:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links |Jmol]]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-14T10:39:46Z

Rzepa: /* Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts<ref name=podcast">Henry Rzepa, Podcast of talk. URL: [http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/podcasts/index.rss]</ref> about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [[London Wikipedia Academy]] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
[[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by {{w|Friedrich Konrad Beilstein}}.
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the [[wikipedia:Resource_Description_Framework|information triple]]: '''Molecule|Property|Citation'''
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,303,485 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
[[File:Rzepa CIT1.jpg|right|200px]]
# 1860: Our department was one of the first to use 3D models of molecules in teaching
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [[wikipedia:Meme|Meme (self-replicating idea)]].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, {{w|History_of_Wikipedia|Wikipedia was launched}}.
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]]
# [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry| Chemistry WikiProject]] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals|Chemicals WikiProject]] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements|Elements WikiProject]] (chemical elements).
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology|Pharmacology WikiProject]] (mainly drugs),
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology|Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject]] (much biochemistry)
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology|Geology WikiProject]] (which oversees minerals)
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics|Physics WikiProject]] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]
== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]
# The [[wikipedia:Template:Chembox|ChemBox]], the [[wikipedia:Template:Infobox element|ElementBox]], [[wikipedia:Template:Drugbox|DrugBox]] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [[wikipedia:Aspirin|drugbox for Aspirin]]
## Example of a [[wikipedia:Ethanol|chembox for ethanol]]
## Example of a [[wikipedia:carbon|Infobox element for carbon]]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [[wikipedia:User:CheMoBot|CheMoBot]] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.
== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!
== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
# [[wikipedia:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links |Jmol]]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-14T10:38:26Z

Rzepa: /* Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts<ref name=podcast">Henry Rzepa, Podcast of talk</ref> about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [[London Wikipedia Academy]] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
[[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by {{w|Friedrich Konrad Beilstein}}.
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the [[wikipedia:Resource_Description_Framework|information triple]]: '''Molecule|Property|Citation'''
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,303,485 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
[[File:Rzepa CIT1.jpg|right|200px]]
# 1860: Our department was one of the first to use 3D models of molecules in teaching
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [[wikipedia:Meme|Meme (self-replicating idea)]].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, {{w|History_of_Wikipedia|Wikipedia was launched}}.
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]]
# [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry| Chemistry WikiProject]] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals|Chemicals WikiProject]] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements|Elements WikiProject]] (chemical elements).
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology|Pharmacology WikiProject]] (mainly drugs),
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology|Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject]] (much biochemistry)
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology|Geology WikiProject]] (which oversees minerals)
#[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics|Physics WikiProject]] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]
== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]
# The [[wikipedia:Template:Chembox|ChemBox]], the [[wikipedia:Template:Infobox element|ElementBox]], [[wikipedia:Template:Drugbox|DrugBox]] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [[wikipedia:Aspirin|drugbox for Aspirin]]
## Example of a [[wikipedia:Ethanol|chembox for ethanol]]
## Example of a [[wikipedia:carbon|Infobox element for carbon]]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [[wikipedia:User:CheMoBot|CheMoBot]] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.
== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!
== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
# [[wikipedia:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links |Jmol]]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-13T15:25:52Z

Rzepa: /* A brief history of Molecularpedias */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework information triple]: '''Molecule|Property|Citation'''
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,303,485 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[File:Rzepa CIT1.jpg|right|200px]]1860: Our department was one of the first to use 3D models of molecules in teaching
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]
== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
#[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.
== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
#[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!
== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

= References and citations =
<references />

London Wikipedia Academy

2011-04-13T10:28:11Z

Rzepa: /* Agenda */

'''What:'''The London Wikipedia Academy is a mini-conference aimed at starting a conversation between academics and Wikipedians in
London, moving from opinions to organised, evidence based, informed discussions.

'''When:''' Wednesday April 13th 2011<br />
'''Where:''' Room 122, Sir Alexander Fleming Building, Exhibition Road, Imperial College London, SW7 2AZ

'''Who:''' Organised by Wikipedians at Imperial College, the first official student Wikipedia society in the UK. We would like to invite all those interested, particularly London academics and librarians (please leave your details at the bottom of this page).

==Presenters/ facilitators==
* [[Wikipedia:User:Vinnypatel]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Charles Matthews]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Jfdwolff]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Sadads]] (Alex S)

;Note for presenters:
* We will get a room with a networked Windows PC and Powerpoint. Presenters are asked to e-mail their slides beforehand (if using a Powerpoint presentation) and also bring slides on a USB stick. We hope to make the slides available online afterwards. Use of slides isn't mandatory: talk through the relevant WP pages if that's more informative/works better.

==Aims==
The focus of the day is to start a conversation about how academia and WP should view and engage each other, using as much evidence and as little personal opinion or inferred analyses as possible. The event is being hosted by the first Wikipedia student club in the UK - Wikipedians at Imperial College - and we wish to provide a stimulating and original experience to attendees. We want to reset the tone of discussion about Wikipedia to one which accepts the practical realities of its current widespread use and one which is accurate and precise about Wikipedia's strengths and weaknesses in providing information. This will help Wikipedia by increasing input from academics in London and will help academics as they will be talking in detail about what may be the most widely used, cross-faculty resource in modern higher education.

''Please note there is NO official support from Imperial College or its library implied in this event. It is designed as a place of discussion between interested parties organised by a student society; all people are welcome but those who are not Imperial College card holders must post their name below or e-mail to confirm their attendance beforehand.''

Attendees (by group) will:
# All
## Understand the aims of Wikimedia UK and how they overlap with those of their own organisations/group;
## Understand the diversity of value present in Wikimedia projects (not just the encyclopedia);
## Have discussions with other groups
# Students
## Join an edit-group to contribute to Wikipedia articles with other people of common interests
## Begin Wikipedia student clubs at their own Universities
## Be inspired to make Wikipedia a better resource
# Academics
## Consider setting up a Campus Ambassadors program in their department http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Campus_Ambassadors
## Consider forming/leading edit groups at their department
# Librarians
## Understand the key issues about Wikipedia as a learning tool in more detail
## Explore the usefulness of Wikipedia as one of several tools with other academics and students
## Understand GLAM (galleries, libraries, archives, museums) and new Wikipedia initiatives better - there will be an opportunity to do this in informal discussions

==Agenda==

1745-2000 Talks from invited speakers:
*1745 Vinesh Patel (introduction) – 5 minutes
*1750 Charles Matthews – Wikipedia and academia: Culture clash? - 25 minutes
*1815 Professor Henry Rzepa – [[Talk:rzepa2011|Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences]] – 25 minutes (as a [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Talks:rzepa2011 slide-show])
*1840 Break and discussion with food and drink - 25 minutes
*1905 Alex Stinson – Campus Ambassadors and Teaching with Wikipedia, the US experience – 25 minutes
*1930 Dr. Jacob de Wolff – Wikipedia and Medicine – 25 minutes
*1955 Vinesh Patel (closing speech) – 5 minutes

==About the speakers==

'''Charles Matthews'''

A former mathematics lecturer at Cambridge University, Charles Matthews is a major contributor to Wikipedia with well over 200,000 entries. He is currently also involved in Wikipedia's official structure in the UK as Office Manager for Wikimedia UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Charles_Matthews/About_me

'''Professor Henry Rzepa'''

A professor in Computational Chemistry at Imperial College, Henry Rzepa has been involved and interested in Wikipedia, open source information and the internet itself since 1975. [http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/people/h.rzepa Imperial] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rzepa Wikipedia] links.

'''Alex Stinson'''

Alex is an American undergraduate student with majors in English and History. Currently studying as a visiting student at Hertford College, Oxford, he has been on the Wikipedia Campus Ambassadors Steering Committee since its inception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sadads . He has also run teaching assignments at James Madison University, his home university in the United States. See above for link to the Campus Ambassadors website.

'''Dr. Jacob de Wolff'''

Dr. de Wolff is a Dutch doctor currently working as a registrar in acute medicine at UCH. He has an extensive list of Wikipedia edits and is the founder of Wikiproject medicine - the collaborative project aimed at organising efforts to improve Wikipedia medical articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jfdwolff

==Media mentions==
* BBC education: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12809944
* Interview with transworld radio 22/03/11
* [http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/21/scholars-to-stop-pre.html?dlvrit=36761 Boingboing blog post] (follow-up of BBC article)
* [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-03-28/In the news|Signpost]]
* Online article with The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/mar/29/wikipedia-survey-academic-contributions

==Venue==

The Sir Alexander Fleming Building (SAF) can be found at our South Kensington Campus. Details of how to reach and a map of our campus can be found here: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/campusinfo/southkensington. As roadworks are being done around the vicinity of the nearest tube stop - South Kensington - many people use the subway (undergrdound walkway) system to reach our Exhibition Road entrance. From there, go straight ahead the left hand side of Imperial College Road until you reach a set of wooden benches, which are outside SAF. Inside SAF, Room 122 can be found after going up the foyer staircase, on the right of the 1st floor landing. Posters with directions to the room will be present on the day.

==Attendees==
Add yourself here if attending! If you are unsure as to how to edit a Wikimedia page, please e-mail wikipedians@imperial.ac.uk to confirm your attendance
* [[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] 16:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:LoopZilla|LoopZilla]] 08:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:M E Goudge|M E Goudge]] 08:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:blurky|Bernie Hogan]] 10:52, 23 March 2011 (ADT)
* [[User:Nawal|Nawal]] 17:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Pingbeebee|Pingbeebee]] 17:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Gxt1207|Gxt1207]]
* [[User:Harrypotter|Harrypotter]] 15:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 15:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
* [[Wikipedia:en:User:Jfdwolff|Jfdwolff]] 17:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Artiquities|Artiquities]]
* Alireza Sheybat (sheybat@gmail.com)[[Special:Contributions/91.125.52.213|91.125.52.213]] 08:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:jennye|jennye]]
* [[User:fnorman|Frank Norman]] 08:50, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-13T07:19:00Z

Rzepa: /* The era of Egalitarian Communities */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework information triple]: '''Molecule|Property|Citation'''
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,274,080 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[File:Rzepa CIT1.jpg|right|200px]]1860: Our department was one of the first to use 3D models of molecules in teaching
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]
== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
#[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.
== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
#[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!
== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

= References and citations =
<references />

File:Rzepa CIT1.jpg

2011-04-13T07:18:25Z

Rzepa: CIT Project file, circa 2001

CIT Project file, circa 2001

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-13T07:15:36Z

Rzepa: /* A brief history of Molecularpedias */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework information triple]: '''Molecule|Property|Citation'''
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,274,080 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[file:Rzepa_student_project1.jpg|right|200px]]1860: Our department was one of the first to use 3D models of molecules in teaching
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]
== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
#[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.
== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
#[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!
== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-12T18:38:42Z

Rzepa:

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework information triple]: '''Molecule|Property|Citation'''
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,236,044 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[file:Rzepa_student_project1.jpg|right|200px]]1860: Our department was one of the first to use 3D models of molecules in teaching
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]
== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
#[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.
== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
#[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!
== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-12T08:26:45Z

Rzepa: /* The era of Egalitarian Communities */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework information triple]: '''Molecule|Property|Citation'''
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,236,044 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[file:Rzepa_student_project1.jpg|right|200px]]1860: Our department was one of the first to use 3D models of molecules in teaching
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
#[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
#[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-12T08:25:06Z

Rzepa: /* A brief history of Molecularpedias */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework information triple]: '''Molecule|Property|Citation'''
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,236,044 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[file:Rzepa_student_project1.jpg|right|200px]] 1860: Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
#[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
#[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-12T08:24:03Z

Rzepa: /* A brief history of Molecularpedias */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework information triple]: '''Molecule|Property|Citation'''
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[file:Rzepa_student_project1.jpg|right|200px]] 1860: Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
#[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
#[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

London Wikipedia Academy

2011-04-12T08:22:21Z

Rzepa: /* Agenda */

'''What:'''The London Wikipedia Academy is a mini-conference aimed at starting a conversation between academics and Wikipedians in
London, moving from opinions to organised, evidence based, informed discussions.

'''When:''' Wednesday April 13th 2011<br />
'''Where:''' Room 122, Sir Alexander Fleming Building, Exhibition Road, Imperial College London, SW7 2AZ

'''Who:''' Organised by Wikipedians at Imperial College, the first official student Wikipedia society in the UK. We would like to invite all those interested, particularly London academics and librarians (please leaves your details at the bottom of this page).

==Presenters/ facilitators==
* [[Wikipedia:User:Vinnypatel]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Charles Matthews]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Jfdwolff]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Sadads]] (Alex S)

;Note for presenters:
* We will get a room with a networked Windows PC and Powerpoint. Presenters are asked to e-mail their slides beforehand (if using a Powerpoint presentation) and also bring slides on a USB stick. We hope to make the slides available online afterwards. Use of slides isn't mandatory: talk through the relevant WP pages if that's more informative/works better.

==Aims==
The focus of the day is to start a conversation about how academia and WP should view and engage each other, using as much evidence and as little personal opinion or inferred analyses as possible. The event is being hosted by the first Wikipedia student club in the UK - Wikipedians at Imperial College - and we wish to provide a stimulating and original experience to attendees. We want to reset the tone of discussion about Wikipedia to one which accepts the practical realities of its current widespread use and one which is accurate and precise about Wikipedia's strengths and weaknesses in providing information. This will help Wikipedia by increasing input from academics in London and will help academics as they will be talking in detail about what may be the most widely used, cross-faculty resource in modern higher education.

''Please note there is NO official support from Imperial College or its library implied in this event. It is designed as a place of discussion between interested parties organised by a student society; all people are welcome but those who are not Imperial College card holders must post their name below or e-mail to confirm their attendance beforehand.''

Attendees (by group) will:
# All
## Understand the aims of Wikimedia UK and how they overlap with those of their own organisations/group;
## Understand the diversity of value present in Wikimedia projects (not just the encyclopedia);
## Have discussions with other groups
# Students
## Join an edit-group to contribute to Wikipedia articles with other people of common interests
## Begin Wikipedia student clubs at their own Universities
## Be inspired to make Wikipedia a better resource
# Academics
## Consider setting up a Campus Ambassadors program in their department http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Campus_Ambassadors
## Consider forming/leading edit groups at their department
# Librarians
## Understand the key issues about Wikipedia as a learning tool in more detail
## Explore the usefulness of Wikipedia as one of several tools with other academics and students
## Understand GLAM (galleries, libraries, archives, museums) and new Wikipedia initiatives better - there will be an opportunity to do this in informal discussions

==Agenda==

1745-2000 Talks from invited speakers:
*1745 Vinesh Patel (introduction) – 5 minutes
*1750 Charles Matthews – Wikipedia and academia: Culture clash? - 25 minutes
*1815 Professor Henry Rzepa – [[Talk:rzepa2011|Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences]] – 25 minutes
*1840 Break and discussion with food and drink - 25 minutes
*1905 Alex Stinson – Campus Ambassadors and Teaching with Wikipedia, the US experience – 25 minutes
*1930 Dr. Jacob de Wolff – Wikipedia and Medicine – 25 minutes
*1955 Vinesh Patel (closing speech) – 5 minutes

==About the speakers==

'''Charles Matthews'''

A former mathematics lecturer at Cambridge University, Charles Matthews is a major contributor to Wikipedia with well over 200,000 entries. He is currently also involved in Wikipedia's official structure in the UK as Office Manager for Wikimedia UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Charles_Matthews/About_me

'''Professor Henry Rzepa'''

A professor in Computational Chemistry at Imperial College, Henry Rzepa has been involved and interested in Wikipedia, open source information and the internet itself since 1975. [http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/people/h.rzepa Imperial] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rzepa Wikipedia] links.

'''Alex Stinson'''

Alex is an American undergraduate student with majors in English and History. Currently studying as a visiting student at Hertford College, Oxford, he has been on the Wikipedia Campus Ambassadors Steering Committee since its inception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sadads . He has also run teaching assignments at James Madison University, his home university in the United States. See above for link to the Campus Ambassadors website.

'''Dr. Jacob de Wolff'''

Dr. de Wolff is a Dutch doctor currently working as a registrar in acute medicine at UCH. He has an extensive list of Wikipedia edits and is the founder of Wikiproject medicine - the collaborative project aimed at organising efforts to improve Wikipedia medical articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jfdwolff

==Media mentions==
* BBC education: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12809944
* Interview with transworld radio 22/03/11
* [http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/21/scholars-to-stop-pre.html?dlvrit=36761 Boingboing blog post] (follow-up of BBC article)
* [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-03-28/In the news|Signpost]]
* Online article with The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/mar/29/wikipedia-survey-academic-contributions

==Venue==

The Sir Alexander Fleming Building (SAF) can be found at our South Kensington Campus. Details of how to reach and a map of our campus can be found here: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/campusinfo/southkensington. As roadworks are being done around the vicinity of the nearest tube stop - South Kensington - many people use the subway (undergrdound walkway) system to reach our Exhibition Road entrance. From there, go straight ahead the left hand side of Imperial College Road until you reach a set of wooden benches, which are outside SAF. Inside SAF, Room 122 can be found after going up the foyer staircase, on the right of the 1st floor landing. Posters with directions to the room will be present on the day.

==Attendees==
Add yourself here if attending! If you are unsure as to how to edit a Wikimedia page, please e-mail wikipedians@imperial.ac.uk to confirm your attendance
* [[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] 16:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:LoopZilla|LoopZilla]] 08:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:M E Goudge|M E Goudge]] 08:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:blurky|Bernie Hogan]] 10:52, 23 March 2011 (ADT)
* [[User:Nawal|Nawal]] 17:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Pingbeebee|Pingbeebee]] 17:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Gxt1207|Gxt1207]]
* [[User:Harrypotter|Harrypotter]] 15:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 15:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
* [[Wikipedia:en:User:Jfdwolff|Jfdwolff]] 17:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Artiquities|Artiquities]]
* Alireza Sheybat (sheybat@gmail.com)[[Special:Contributions/91.125.52.213|91.125.52.213]] 08:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-12T07:58:47Z

Rzepa: /* Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[file:Rzepa_student_project1.jpg|right|200px]] 1860: Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
#[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|80px]]The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
#[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-12T07:58:31Z

Rzepa: /* What happened at Imperial College ? */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[file:Rzepa_student_project1.jpg|right|200px]] 1860: Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
#[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|100px]]The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
#[[File:Rzepa jmol.jpg|right|200px]]In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-12T07:54:21Z

Rzepa: /* Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[file:Rzepa_student_project1.jpg|right|200px]] 1860: Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
#[[File:Rzepa drugbox aspirin.jpg|right|100px]]The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-12T07:51:20Z

Rzepa: /* The Wikipedia Chemistry Projects era */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[file:Rzepa_student_project1.jpg|right|200px]] 1860: Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[[File:Virtuous_Circle.svg|right|200px]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-12T07:49:42Z

Rzepa: /* The era of Egalitarian Communities */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
#[[file:Rzepa_student_project1.jpg|right|200px]] 1860: Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-12T07:41:08Z

Rzepa: /* Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# [[File:Molmod-1.jpg|right|200px]]Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# 1860: Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-11T18:39:23Z

Rzepa: /* What happened at Imperial College ? */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# 1860: Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Following our 3D models of molecules in 1860
#* We build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-11T18:38:19Z

Rzepa: /* The era of Egalitarian Communities */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# 1860: Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules
# The idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

London Wikipedia Academy

2011-04-11T11:58:34Z

Rzepa: /* About the speakers */

'''What:'''The London Wikipedia Academy is a mini-conference aimed at starting a conversation between academics and Wikipedians in
London, moving from opinions to organised, evidence based, informed discussions.

'''When:''' Wednesday April 13th 2011<br />
'''Where:''' Room 122, Sir Alexander Fleming Building, Exhibition Road, Imperial College London, SW7 2AZ

'''Who:''' Organised by Wikipedians at Imperial College, the first official student Wikipedia society in the UK. We would like to invite all those interested, particularly London academics and librarians (please leaves your details at the bottom of this page).

==Presenters/ facilitators==
* [[Wikipedia:User:Vinnypatel]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Charles Matthews]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Jfdwolff]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Sadads]] (Alex S)

;Note for presenters:
* We will get a room with a networked Windows PC and Powerpoint. Presenters are asked to e-mail their slides beforehand (if using a Powerpoint presentation) and also bring slides on a USB stick. We hope to make the slides available online afterwards. Use of slides isn't mandatory: talk through the relevant WP pages if that's more informative/works better.

==Aims==
The focus of the day is to start a conversation about how academia and WP should view and engage each other, using as much evidence and as little personal opinion or inferred analyses as possible. The event is being hosted by the first Wikipedia student club in the UK - Wikipedians at Imperial College - and we wish to provide a stimulating and original experience to attendees. We want to reset the tone of discussion about Wikipedia to one which accepts the practical realities of its current widespread use and one which is accurate and precise about Wikipedia's strengths and weaknesses in providing information. This will help Wikipedia by increasing input from academics in London and will help academics as they will be talking in detail about what may be the most widely used, cross-faculty resource in modern higher education.

''Please note there is NO official support from Imperial College or its library implied in this event. It is designed as a place of discussion between interested parties organised by a student society; all people are welcome but those who are not Imperial College card holders must post their name below or e-mail to confirm their attendance beforehand.''

Attendees (by group) will:
# All
## Understand the aims of Wikimedia UK and how they overlap with those of their own organisations/group;
## Understand the diversity of value present in Wikimedia projects (not just the encyclopedia);
## Have discussions with other groups
# Students
## Join an edit-group to contribute to Wikipedia articles with other people of common interests
## Begin Wikipedia student clubs at their own Universities
## Be inspired to make Wikipedia a better resource
# Academics
## Consider setting up a Campus Ambassadors program in their department http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Campus_Ambassadors
## Consider forming/leading edit groups at their department
# Librarians
## Understand the key issues about Wikipedia as a learning tool in more detail
## Explore the usefulness of Wikipedia as one of several tools with other academics and students
## Understand GLAM (galleries, libraries, archives, museums) and new Wikipedia initiatives better - there will be an opportunity to do this in informal discussions

==Agenda==

1745-2000 Talks from invited speakers:
*1745 Vinesh Patel (introduction) – 5 minutes
*1750 Charles Matthews – Wikipedia and academia: Culture clash? - 25 minutes
*1815 Professor Henry Rzepa – [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Talks:rzepa2011 Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences] – 25 minutes
*1840 Break and discussion with food and drink - 25 minutes
*1905 Alex Stinson – Campus Ambassadors and Teaching with Wikipedia, the US experience – 25 minutes
*1930 Dr. Jacob de Wolff – Wikipedia and Medicine – 25 minutes
*1955 Vinesh Patel (closing speech) – 5 minutes

==About the speakers==

'''Charles Matthews'''

A former mathematics lecturer at Cambridge University, Charles Matthews is a major contributor to Wikipedia with well over 200,000 entries. He is currently also involved in Wikipedia's official structure in the UK as Office Manager for Wikimedia UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Charles_Matthews/About_me

'''Professor Henry Rzepa'''

A professor in Computational Chemistry at Imperial College, Henry Rzepa has been involved and interested in Wikipedia, open source information and the internet itself since 1975. [http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/people/h.rzepa Imperial] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rzepa Wikipedia] links.

'''Alex Stinson'''

Alex is an American undergraduate student with majors in English and History. Currently studying as a visiting student at Hertford College, Oxford, he has been on the Wikipedia Campus Ambassadors Steering Committee since its inception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sadads . He has also run teaching assignments at James Madison University, his home university in the United States. See above for link to the Campus Ambassadors website.

'''Dr. Jacob de Wolff'''

Dr. de Wolff is a Dutch doctor currently working as a registrar in acute medicine at UCH. He has an extensive list of Wikipedia edits and is the founder of Wikiproject medicine - the collaborative project aimed at organising efforts to improve Wikipedia medical articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jfdwolff

==Media mentions==
* BBC education: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12809944
* Interview with transworld radio 22/03/11
* [http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/21/scholars-to-stop-pre.html?dlvrit=36761 Boingboing blog post] (follow-up of BBC article)
* [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-03-28/In the news|Signpost]]
* Online article with The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/mar/29/wikipedia-survey-academic-contributions

==Venue==

The Sir Alexander Fleming Building (SAF) can be found at our South Kensington Campus. Details of how to reach and a map of our campus can be found here: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/campusinfo/southkensington. As roadworks are being done around the vicinity of the nearest tube stop - South Kensington - many people use the subway (undergrdound walkway) system to reach our Exhibition Road entrance. From there, go straight ahead the left hand side of Imperial College Road until you reach a set of wooden benches, which are outside SAF. Inside SAF, Room 122 can be found after going up the foyer staircase, on the right of the 1st floor landing. Posters with directions to the room will be present on the day.

==Attendees==
Add yourself here if attending! If you are unsure as to how to edit a Wikimedia page, please e-mail wikipedians@imperial.ac.uk to confirm your attendance
* [[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] 16:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:LoopZilla|LoopZilla]] 08:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:M E Goudge|M E Goudge]] 08:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:blurky|Bernie Hogan]] 10:52, 23 March 2011 (ADT)
* [[User:Nawal|Nawal]] 17:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Pingbeebee|Pingbeebee]] 17:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Gxt1207|Gxt1207]]
* [[User:Harrypotter|Harrypotter]] 15:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 15:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
* [[Wikipedia:en:User:Jfdwolff|Jfdwolff]] 17:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Artiquities|Artiquities]]
* Alireza Sheybat (sheybat@gmail.com)[[Special:Contributions/91.125.52.213|91.125.52.213]] 08:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

London Wikipedia Academy

2011-04-11T11:58:15Z

Rzepa: /* About the speakers */

'''What:'''The London Wikipedia Academy is a mini-conference aimed at starting a conversation between academics and Wikipedians in
London, moving from opinions to organised, evidence based, informed discussions.

'''When:''' Wednesday April 13th 2011<br />
'''Where:''' Room 122, Sir Alexander Fleming Building, Exhibition Road, Imperial College London, SW7 2AZ

'''Who:''' Organised by Wikipedians at Imperial College, the first official student Wikipedia society in the UK. We would like to invite all those interested, particularly London academics and librarians (please leaves your details at the bottom of this page).

==Presenters/ facilitators==
* [[Wikipedia:User:Vinnypatel]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Charles Matthews]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Jfdwolff]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Sadads]] (Alex S)

;Note for presenters:
* We will get a room with a networked Windows PC and Powerpoint. Presenters are asked to e-mail their slides beforehand (if using a Powerpoint presentation) and also bring slides on a USB stick. We hope to make the slides available online afterwards. Use of slides isn't mandatory: talk through the relevant WP pages if that's more informative/works better.

==Aims==
The focus of the day is to start a conversation about how academia and WP should view and engage each other, using as much evidence and as little personal opinion or inferred analyses as possible. The event is being hosted by the first Wikipedia student club in the UK - Wikipedians at Imperial College - and we wish to provide a stimulating and original experience to attendees. We want to reset the tone of discussion about Wikipedia to one which accepts the practical realities of its current widespread use and one which is accurate and precise about Wikipedia's strengths and weaknesses in providing information. This will help Wikipedia by increasing input from academics in London and will help academics as they will be talking in detail about what may be the most widely used, cross-faculty resource in modern higher education.

''Please note there is NO official support from Imperial College or its library implied in this event. It is designed as a place of discussion between interested parties organised by a student society; all people are welcome but those who are not Imperial College card holders must post their name below or e-mail to confirm their attendance beforehand.''

Attendees (by group) will:
# All
## Understand the aims of Wikimedia UK and how they overlap with those of their own organisations/group;
## Understand the diversity of value present in Wikimedia projects (not just the encyclopedia);
## Have discussions with other groups
# Students
## Join an edit-group to contribute to Wikipedia articles with other people of common interests
## Begin Wikipedia student clubs at their own Universities
## Be inspired to make Wikipedia a better resource
# Academics
## Consider setting up a Campus Ambassadors program in their department http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Campus_Ambassadors
## Consider forming/leading edit groups at their department
# Librarians
## Understand the key issues about Wikipedia as a learning tool in more detail
## Explore the usefulness of Wikipedia as one of several tools with other academics and students
## Understand GLAM (galleries, libraries, archives, museums) and new Wikipedia initiatives better - there will be an opportunity to do this in informal discussions

==Agenda==

1745-2000 Talks from invited speakers:
*1745 Vinesh Patel (introduction) – 5 minutes
*1750 Charles Matthews – Wikipedia and academia: Culture clash? - 25 minutes
*1815 Professor Henry Rzepa – [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Talks:rzepa2011 Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences] – 25 minutes
*1840 Break and discussion with food and drink - 25 minutes
*1905 Alex Stinson – Campus Ambassadors and Teaching with Wikipedia, the US experience – 25 minutes
*1930 Dr. Jacob de Wolff – Wikipedia and Medicine – 25 minutes
*1955 Vinesh Patel (closing speech) – 5 minutes

==About the speakers==

'''Charles Matthews'''

A former mathematics lecturer at Cambridge University, Charles Matthews is a major contributor to Wikipedia with well over 200,000 entries. He is currently also involved in Wikipedia's official structure in the UK as Office Manager for Wikimedia UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Charles_Matthews/About_me

'''Professor Henry Rzepa'''

A professor in Computational Chemistry at Imperial College, Henry Rzepa has been involved and interested in Wikipedia, open source information and the internet itself since 1973. [http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/people/h.rzepa Imperial] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rzepa Wikipedia] links.

'''Alex Stinson'''

Alex is an American undergraduate student with majors in English and History. Currently studying as a visiting student at Hertford College, Oxford, he has been on the Wikipedia Campus Ambassadors Steering Committee since its inception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sadads . He has also run teaching assignments at James Madison University, his home university in the United States. See above for link to the Campus Ambassadors website.

'''Dr. Jacob de Wolff'''

Dr. de Wolff is a Dutch doctor currently working as a registrar in acute medicine at UCH. He has an extensive list of Wikipedia edits and is the founder of Wikiproject medicine - the collaborative project aimed at organising efforts to improve Wikipedia medical articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jfdwolff

==Media mentions==
* BBC education: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12809944
* Interview with transworld radio 22/03/11
* [http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/21/scholars-to-stop-pre.html?dlvrit=36761 Boingboing blog post] (follow-up of BBC article)
* [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-03-28/In the news|Signpost]]
* Online article with The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/mar/29/wikipedia-survey-academic-contributions

==Venue==

The Sir Alexander Fleming Building (SAF) can be found at our South Kensington Campus. Details of how to reach and a map of our campus can be found here: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/campusinfo/southkensington. As roadworks are being done around the vicinity of the nearest tube stop - South Kensington - many people use the subway (undergrdound walkway) system to reach our Exhibition Road entrance. From there, go straight ahead the left hand side of Imperial College Road until you reach a set of wooden benches, which are outside SAF. Inside SAF, Room 122 can be found after going up the foyer staircase, on the right of the 1st floor landing. Posters with directions to the room will be present on the day.

==Attendees==
Add yourself here if attending! If you are unsure as to how to edit a Wikimedia page, please e-mail wikipedians@imperial.ac.uk to confirm your attendance
* [[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] 16:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:LoopZilla|LoopZilla]] 08:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:M E Goudge|M E Goudge]] 08:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:blurky|Bernie Hogan]] 10:52, 23 March 2011 (ADT)
* [[User:Nawal|Nawal]] 17:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Pingbeebee|Pingbeebee]] 17:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Gxt1207|Gxt1207]]
* [[User:Harrypotter|Harrypotter]] 15:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 15:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
* [[Wikipedia:en:User:Jfdwolff|Jfdwolff]] 17:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Artiquities|Artiquities]]
* Alireza Sheybat (sheybat@gmail.com)[[Special:Contributions/91.125.52.213|91.125.52.213]] 08:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

User:Rzepa

2011-04-11T11:55:48Z

Rzepa:

[http://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/h.rzepa Henry Rzepa], Professor of Computational Chemistry, Imperial College London.

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-11T10:33:45Z

Rzepa: /* What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]: a discussion in progress on whether and how Jmol can be absorbed into Wikipedia.
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-11T10:31:39Z

Rzepa: /* Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from?
## Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref> has written a splendid article on Wikipedia and the chemistry in it.

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-11T10:30:46Z

Rzepa: /* Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot] This bot is used to monitor changes to infoboxes in mainspace
# Where did I get this information from? Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-11T10:30:00Z

Rzepa: /* Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element for carbon]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get this information from? Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-11T10:29:15Z

Rzepa: /* Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/carbon Infobox Element]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get this information from? Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-11T10:26:24Z

Rzepa: /* Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol chembox for ethanol]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get this information from? Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-11T10:24:42Z

Rzepa: /* Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
## Example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin drugbox for Aspirin]
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get this information from? Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-11T10:22:18Z

Rzepa: /* Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox ChemBox], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Elementbox ElementBox], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Drugbox DrugBox] (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get this information from? Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

London Wikipedia Academy

2011-04-11T09:42:29Z

Rzepa: /* Agenda */

'''What:'''The London Wikipedia Academy is a mini-conference aimed at starting a conversation between academics and Wikipedians in
London, moving from opinions to organised, evidence based, informed discussions.

'''When:''' Wednesday April 13th 2011<br />
'''Where:''' Room 122, Sir Alexander Fleming Building, Exhibition Road, Imperial College London, SW7 2AZ

'''Who:''' Organised by Wikipedians at Imperial College, the first official student Wikipedia society in the UK. We would like to invite all those interested, particularly London academics and librarians (please leaves your details at the bottom of this page).

==Presenters/ facilitators==
* [[Wikipedia:User:Vinnypatel]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Charles Matthews]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Jfdwolff]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Sadads]] (Alex S)

;Note for presenters:
* We will get a room with a networked Windows PC and Powerpoint. Presenters are asked to e-mail their slides beforehand (if using a Powerpoint presentation) and also bring slides on a USB stick. We hope to make the slides available online afterwards. Use of slides isn't mandatory: talk through the relevant WP pages if that's more informative/works better.

==Aims==
The focus of the day is to start a conversation about how academia and WP should view and engage each other, using as much evidence and as little personal opinion or inferred analyses as possible. The event is being hosted by the first Wikipedia student club in the UK - Wikipedians at Imperial College - and we wish to provide a stimulating and original experience to attendees. We want to reset the tone of discussion about Wikipedia to one which accepts the practical realities of its current widespread use and one which is accurate and precise about Wikipedia's strengths and weaknesses in providing information. This will help Wikipedia by increasing input from academics in London and will help academics as they will be talking in detail about what may be the most widely used, cross-faculty resource in modern higher education.

''Please note there is NO official support from Imperial College or its library implied in this event. It is designed as a place of discussion between interested parties organised by a student society; all people are welcome but those who are not Imperial College card holders must post their name below or e-mail to confirm their attendance beforehand.''

Attendees (by group) will:
# All
## Understand the aims of Wikimedia UK and how they overlap with those of their own organisations/group;
## Understand the diversity of value present in Wikimedia projects (not just the encyclopedia);
## Have discussions with other groups
# Students
## Join an edit-group to contribute to Wikipedia articles with other people of common interests
## Begin Wikipedia student clubs at their own Universities
## Be inspired to make Wikipedia a better resource
# Academics
## Consider setting up a Campus Ambassadors program in their department http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Campus_Ambassadors
## Consider forming/leading edit groups at their department
# Librarians
## Understand the key issues about Wikipedia as a learning tool in more detail
## Explore the usefulness of Wikipedia as one of several tools with other academics and students
## Understand GLAM (galleries, libraries, archives, museums) and new Wikipedia initiatives better - there will be an opportunity to do this in informal discussions

==Agenda==
*1200-1400 Students meet and conduct outreach activities
*1430-1700 Group editing amongst students - all are welcome
1745-2000 Talks from invited speakers:
*1745 Vinesh Patel (introduction) – 5 minutes
*1750 Charles Matthews – Wikipedia and academia: Culture clash? - 25 minutes
*1815 Professor Henry Rzepa – [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Talks:rzepa2011 Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences] – 25 minutes
*1840 Break and discussion with food and drink - 25 minutes
*1905 Alex Stinson – Campus Ambassadors and Teaching with Wikipedia, the US experience – 25 minutes
*1930 Dr. Jacob de Wolff – Wikipedia and Medicine – 25 minutes
*1955 Vinesh Patel (closing speech) – 5 minutes

==About the speakers==

'''Charles Matthews'''

A former mathematics lecturer at Cambridge University, Charles Matthews is a major contributor to Wikipedia with well over 200,000 entries. He is currently also involved in Wikipedia's official structure in the UK as Office Manager for Wikimedia UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Charles_Matthews/About_me

'''Professor Henry Rzepa'''

A professor in Computational Chemistry at Imperial College, Henry Rzepa has been involved and interested in Wikipedia, open source information and the internet itself for many years. [http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/people/h.rzepa Imperial] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rzepa Wikipedia] links.

'''Alex Stinson'''

Alex is an American undergraduate student with majors in English and History. Currently studying as a visiting student at Hertford College, Oxford, he has been on the Wikipedia Campus Ambassadors Steering Committee since its inception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sadads . He has also run teaching assignments at James Madison University, his home university in the United States. See above for link to the Campus Ambassadors website.

'''Dr. Jacob de Wolff'''

Dr. de Wolff is a Dutch doctor currently working as a registrar in acute medicine at UCH. He has an extensive list of Wikipedia edits and is the founder of Wikiproject medicine - the collaborative project aimed at organising efforts to improve Wikipedia medical articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jfdwolff

==Media mentions==
* BBC education: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12809944
* Interview with transworld radio 22/03/11
* [http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/21/scholars-to-stop-pre.html?dlvrit=36761 Boingboing blog post] (follow-up of BBC article)
* [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-03-28/In the news|Signpost]]
* Online article with The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/mar/29/wikipedia-survey-academic-contributions

==Venue==

The Sir Alexander Fleming Building (SAF) can be found at our South Kensington Campus. Details of how to reach and a map of our campus can be found here: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/campusinfo/southkensington. As roadworks are being done around the vicinity of the nearest tube stop - South Kensington - many people use the subway (undergrdound walkway) system to reach our Exhibition Road entrance. From there, go straight ahead the left hand side of Imperial College Road until you reach a set of wooden benches, which are outside SAF. Inside SAF, Room 122 can be found after going up the foyer staircase, on the right of the 1st floor landing. Posters with directions to the room will be present on the day.

==Attendees==
Add yourself here if attending! If you are unsure as to how to edit a Wikimedia page, please e-mail wikipedians@imperial.ac.uk to confirm your attendance
* [[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] 16:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:LoopZilla|LoopZilla]] 08:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:M E Goudge|M E Goudge]] 08:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:blurky|Bernie Hogan]] 10:52, 23 March 2011 (ADT)
* [[User:Nawal|Nawal]] 17:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Pingbeebee|Pingbeebee]] 17:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Gxt1207|Gxt1207]]
* [[User:Harrypotter|Harrypotter]] 15:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 15:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
* [[Wikipedia:en:User:Jfdwolff|Jfdwolff]] 17:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
* [[User:Artiquities|Artiquities]]
* Alireza Sheybat (sheybat@gmail.com)[[Special:Contributions/91.125.52.213|91.125.52.213]] 08:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T09:00:05Z

Rzepa: /* What happened at Imperial College ? */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox, DrugBox (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get this information from? Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
#* and they feature extensively in [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/ blogs]
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:57:33Z

Rzepa: /* The era of Egalitarian Communities */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, "Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system", '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, "Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System", ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox, DrugBox (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get this information from? Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:56:00Z

Rzepa: /* The era of Egalitarian Communities */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}</ref>,<ref name="rzepa1">O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox, DrugBox (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get this information from? Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:53:53Z

Rzepa: /* Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox, DrugBox (and [[Template:DOI|DOI]]) templates.
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get this information from? Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:52:37Z

Rzepa: /* Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox and the DrugBox
# The DOI template (hey, I had to create this on this site, see below)
# Curation: [http://www.chemspider.com/ ChemSpider] and [http://www.chemaxon.com/ ChemAxon]
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get this information from? Martin Walker<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:24:43Z

Rzepa: /* A brief history of Molecularpedias */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
#* Augmented with '''virtual''' molecules (which could, in principle exist if people wished them to)
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox and the DrugBox
# The DOI template (hey, I had to create this on this site, see below)
# Curation (ChemSpider)
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get all this information from?<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:23:24Z

Rzepa: /* A brief history of Molecularpedias */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple ('''Molecule|Property|Citation''')
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox and the DrugBox
# The DOI template (hey, I had to create this on this site, see below)
# Curation (ChemSpider)
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get all this information from?<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:23:08Z

Rzepa: /* A brief history of Molecularpedias */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process was started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple (Molecule|Property|Citation)
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox and the DrugBox
# The DOI template (hey, I had to create this on this site, see below)
# Curation (ChemSpider)
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get all this information from?<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:19:48Z

Rzepa: /* The era of Egalitarian Communities */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple (Molecule|Property|Citation)
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in '''1994''' to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!

== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox and the DrugBox
# The DOI template (hey, I had to create this on this site, see below)
# Curation (ChemSpider)
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get all this information from?<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:18:27Z

Rzepa: /* The Wikipedia Chemistry Projects era */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple (Molecule|Property|Citation)
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in 1994 to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!
== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox and the DrugBox
# The DOI template (hey, I had to create this on this site, see below)
# Curation (ChemSpider)
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get all this information from?<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:17:49Z

Rzepa: /* The era of Egalitarian Communities */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple (Molecule|Property|Citation)
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in 1994 to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!
== The Wikipedia '''Chemistry Projects''' era ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
#* Chemical concepts
#* Chemical reactions and processes
#* Chemists
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
#* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
#* develop boxes
#* validate data
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox and the DrugBox
# The DOI template (hey, I had to create this on this site, see below)
# Curation (ChemSpider)
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get all this information from?<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:16:12Z

Rzepa: /* A brief history of Molecularpedias */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple (Molecule|Property|Citation)
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
# You will see from the below, that collecting and curating information about molecules has historically been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in 1994 to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!
# And people interested in molecules launched a number of '''Chemistry Projects'''.
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
##* Chemical concepts
##* Chemical reactions and processes
##* Chemists
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
##* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
##* develop boxes
##* validate data
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox and the DrugBox
# The DOI template (hey, I had to create this on this site, see below)
# Curation (ChemSpider)
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get all this information from?<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:15:23Z

Rzepa: /* A brief history of Molecularpedias */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple (Molecule|Property|Citation)
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
# You will see from the above, that collecting and curating information about molecules has hitherto been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS] (closed)
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS] (closed)
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC] (closed)
#* [http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ PubChem] (Open!)
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in 1994 to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!
# And people interested in molecules launched a number of '''Chemistry Projects'''.
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
##* Chemical concepts
##* Chemical reactions and processes
##* Chemists
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
##* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
##* develop boxes
##* validate data
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox and the DrugBox
# The DOI template (hey, I had to create this on this site, see below)
# Curation (ChemSpider)
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get all this information from?<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:14:11Z

Rzepa: /* A brief history of Molecularpedias */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple (Molecule|Property|Citation)
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
# You will see from the above, that collecting and curating information about molecules has hitherto been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS]
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS]
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC]
#* etc. etc.
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)
# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in 1994 to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!
# And people interested in molecules launched a number of '''Chemistry Projects'''.
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
##* Chemical concepts
##* Chemical reactions and processes
##* Chemists
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
##* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
##* develop boxes
##* validate data
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox and the DrugBox
# The DOI template (hey, I had to create this on this site, see below)
# Curation (ChemSpider)
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get all this information from?<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />

Talk:Rzepa2011

2011-04-10T08:13:56Z

Rzepa: /* A brief history of Molecularpedias */

= Wikipedia and the Molecular Sciences =

[[File:BLW.svg|right|100px]]A talk given by [[Wikipedia:User:Rzepa|Henry Rzepa]], sharing his thoughts about Wikipedia and its use on the occasion of the [http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/London_Wikipedia_Academy London Wikipedia Academy] launch<hr />
''I venture to suggest that ... the general development of the human race to be well and effectually completed when all men, in all places, without any loss of time, at a low rate of charge, are cognizant through their senses, of all that they desire to be cognizant of in all other places. ... This is the grand annihilation of time and place which we are all striving for, and which in one small part we have been permitted to see actually realised" (Samuel Butler, 1863, <ref name="butler">Quoted in George Dyson, "Darwin amongst the Machines, The Evolution of Global Intelligence", Addison-Wesley, N.Y., 1997. ISBN 0-201-400649-7</ref>)
== A brief history of Molecularpedias ==
# Chemistry is mostly about molecules. Hence it is one of the '''molecular sciences'''
#* The process started around 1881 by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Konrad_Beilstein Friedrich Konrad Beilstein].
#* His handbook was the (molecular) Wikipedia of his day!
#* And it introduced many modern concepts, such as the information triple (Molecule|Property|Citation)
#* as well as the concept of assiduously citing your sources! No citation, no entry!!
# As of today, there are [http://www.cas.org/ 58,045,845 molecules] known
#* For each of which between 10 - 50 [http://www.iupac.org/ well-defined] properties (sometimes more) are recorded (or calculated).
# You will see from the above, that collecting and curating information about molecules has hitherto been done by just a small number of (commercial) organisations:
#*[http://www.cas.org/ CAS]
#*[http://reaxys.com REAXYS]
#*[http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ CCDC]
#* etc. etc.
#* These organisations harvest data from the ''original sources'' (just like Wikipedia)

# Academic promotion still (in part) depends on your citations in CAS (= gold-plated standard)
# But, accessing citations from these sources is '''''Expensive''''' and only available to rich(er) organisations.

== The era of Egalitarian Communities ==
# Firstly, the idea in 1994 to put molecules on the Web for all.<ref name="rzepa">H. S. Rzepa, B. J. Whitaker and M. J. Winter, '''Chemical applications of the World-Wide-Web system''', '' J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun.'', '''1994''', 1907-1910. {{DOI|10.1039/C39940001907}}; O. Casher, G. Chandramohan, M. Hargreaves, C. Leach, P. Murray-Rust, R. Sayle, H. S. Rzepa and B. J. Whitaker, '''Hyperactive Molecules and the World-Wide-Web Information System''', ''J. Chem. Soc., Perkin Trans 2'', '''1995''', 7-11. {{DOI|10.1039/P29950000007}}</ref>
#* An early example of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Meme (Self-replicating idea)].
#* Spawned a number of software projects (Rasmol/Open, Chime/Commercial, [http://jmol.sf.net Jmol/Open)].
# In 1997, Henry Rzepa decided to teach a course on how students might retrieve (chemical) information.
#* The course was presented as conventional Web pages (they are [http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/it/ still up], as a historical document!)
#* And we got students to express what they had learnt by each writing a small project about an interesting molecule
#* In those days, students were keen to learn how to write HTML
#** Some of the best can still be [https://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/ seen here]
#* But as the years went by, they started to query the usefulness of this skill!
# In 2001, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia Wikipedia was launched].
# From 2004, Chemists spotted that molecules map beautifully onto Wiki(pedia) pages!
# And people interested in molecules launched a number of '''Chemistry Projects'''.
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemistry Chemistry WikiProject] (for general topics on chemistry)
##* Chemical concepts
##* Chemical reactions and processes
##* Chemists
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals Chemicals WikiProject] (for articles on specific chemical compounds)
##* Currently ~20 active members, who write articles
##* develop boxes
##* validate data
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Elements Elements WikiProject] (chemical elements).
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pharmacology Pharmacology WikiProject] (mainly drugs),
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology Molecular and Cellular Biology WikiProject] (much biochemistry)
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geology Geology WikiProject] (which oversees minerals)
##[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics Physics WikiProject] (covering some chemical physics).
# [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Plan/Movement_Priorities#Wikimedia.27s_Theory_of_Change The Virtuous circle]
## [http://www.wikitrust.net/ WikiTrust] in [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wikitrust/ FireFox]

== Thinking (about molecules) inside the Box ==
# The ChemBox, the ElementBox and the DrugBox
# The DOI template (hey, I had to create this on this site, see below)
# Curation (ChemSpider)
# [http://www.commonchemistry.org/ CommonChemistry], ~3500 molecules
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CheMoBot CheMoBot]
# Where did I get all this information from?<ref name="walker">M. Walker, ''Enhancing Learning with Online Resources, Social Networking, and Digital Libraries'', Chapter 5, pp 79–92, ACS Symposium Series, '''2010''', Vol. 1060, ISBN13: 9780841226005, eISBN: 9780841226012. {{DOI|10.1021/bk-2010-1060.ch005}}</ref>

== What else molecular or chemical is happening on Wikipedia itself? ==
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals#IRC_meeting_to_discuss_possible_addition_of_Jmol_links Jmol]
# New formats for content: Books, Mobile devices
# Offline
# More validation
#Mashups
#Integration with lab instruments<hr />

== What happened at Imperial College ? ==
# In 2008, the decision was taken to move from an HTML to a Wiki authoring environment @[http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk Wiki]
#* A [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:intro Modelling course] now expresses the Molecule Project
#** and the students describe their project using (Media)Wiki markup instead of HTML.
#** this is much more to their liking!
#* The original course that spawned it all is now a [http://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=It:intro Wiki]!
# A key feature of our Wiki is the [https://wiki.ch.ic.ac.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Mod:writeup molecule renderer] (Jmol).
#* Our department was the first to use 3D models of molecules (way back in 1860)
#* Nowadays, we build them on computer
#* which means anyone can play with them
#* or look at how molecules vibrate
#* and how the electrons are distributed around them
# There is much current discussion on how to best incorporate Jmol into Wikipedia itself
#* You can see for example that I am not able to install Jmol on this Wiki!

= References and citations =
<references />